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Airplane prices are ridiculous, Pt 3



 
 
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Old September 11th 10, 11:33 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mark
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Default Airplane prices are ridiculous, Pt 3

"Howard L" from
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...9185922AAM1kbN

Says this:

"Most people would be quite surprised at how little it costs to build
an individual airplane to what it costs to actually buy one. This cost
known as flyaway cost and consists of the labor and parts to build
that airplane. It is less than 25% of the cost of the airplane,
sometimes less than 10%.

Where does the rest go?

1. Engineering. Tens of thousands of hours go into the design of an
airplane.
2. Tooling. In costs many millions of dollars for the tooling (jigs
and fixtures) before you can build the first one.
3. Facilities (Rent). Visit an airplane factory. They are huge. Some
parts are rented and other are owned but it takes a lot of money to
pay for it and pay the utilities.
4. Certification. It can cost over 1 billion dollars to get a design
certified by the FAA to allow you to sell one.
5. Interest. It can take ten or more years from the start of design
until the first airplane is sold. Most of the money to pay for items
1-4 was borrowed from banks and interest was being paid the entire
time. Interest will be paid for another 10 years or more until enough
airplanes are sold to pay off the loan.
6. Profit. The company and their investors didn't gamble all of this
money for fun. Ten billion dollars or more. They want a fair return on
their investment.
7. Liability insurance. An airplane crash can kill and injure hundreds
of people and the airplane company can be sued even when that airplane
is more than 50 years old when it has an accident. That insurance is
expensive. If they don't buy insurance then some of the price of the
airplane must be set aside in a reserve fund to pay damages."

A couple of links you may find useful if you want more detail.
Source(s):
http://www.forbes.com/2006/10/31/airbus-…
http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Aeronaut…

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Certainly compelling information to consider, but one
might ponder...

As we look at the American or even the world economies
there is a distinct and irrefutably disturbing sociological
trend taking place and that is the erradication of middle
class America.

The rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting
poorer.

Because of this polarization there has emerged a
customer base for mansions, yachts and all things
expensive, and this strata of consumers think nothing
about plonking down 100K for a plane. So why should
small plane manufacturers cater to the middle class
man?

Just something to consider.

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Mark
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Old September 15th 10, 06:09 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Ian Anderson
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Default Airplane prices are ridiculous, Pt 3

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 15:33:19 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:

As we look at the American or even the world economies there is a
distinct and irrefutably disturbing sociological trend taking place
and that is the expanding population of gay bipolars in South
Carolina.I so wanted to be special.


Life sux get over it.

The rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting poorer and
turds are getting harder to pack. It must be bad diets.


You suk get on with it.

Because of this bipolarization there has emerged a customer base for
gay toys for nutcases. I'm all in.


I'm sure.

This strata of consumers think nothing about plonking down 100
asspennies for a blow job. So why should small I ask less?


don't hold your pricing model.
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Old September 15th 10, 09:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Morgans[_2_]
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Default Airplane prices are ridiculous, Pt 3

PDFTDT

Really, why respond to a post like that?
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Jim in NC


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Old September 15th 10, 11:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jim Logajan
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Default Airplane prices are ridiculous, Pt 3

"Morgans" wrote:
Really, why respond to a post like that?


Just FYI, keep in mind these observations:

Someone has created several account handles (e.g. "Ian Anderson", "Ted
Sherman", etc.) and posted several sock-puppet replies to "Mark", but in
the process edits Mark's quoted material to make it appear "Mark" is
claiming to be homosexual. (This is the case for the posts to which you
just responded.)

I believe "Mark" has a tendency to start juvenile personal attack threads
when he feels his online persona is threatened, and somewhere along the way
I suspect he poked someone with even deeper juvenile tendencies who thinks
it cute to post from a whole bunch of sock puppets when "Mark" starts those
threads.

It is all rather unfortunate since the topic in the subject line of this
thread would be an otherwise interesting and relevant discussion.
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Old September 16th 10, 01:11 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Mark
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Default Airplane prices are ridiculous, Pt 3

On Sep 15, 6:03*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
"Morgans" wrote:
Really, why respond to a post like that?


Just FYI, keep in mind these observations:

Someone has created several account handles (e.g. "Ian Anderson", "Ted
Sherman", etc.) and posted several sock-puppet replies to "Mark", but in
the process edits Mark's quoted material to make it appear "Mark" is
claiming to be homosexual. (This is the case for the posts to which you
just responded.)


Precisely.

I believe "Mark" has a tendency to start juvenile personal attack threads
when he feels his online persona is threatened,


I wouldn't say juvenile as much as in poor taste. This is why I've
removed those (true) posts about Perrino, then plonked him.

and somewhere along the way
I suspect he poked someone with even deeper juvenile tendencies who thinks
it cute to post from a whole bunch of sock puppets when "Mark" starts those
threads.


You formerly knew him as "Jeffrey Bloss", or "Ari Silverstein". He
is a full time troll habitating usenet.

It is all rather unfortunate since the topic in the subject line of this
thread would be an otherwise interesting and relevant discussion.


I will remain on topic.

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Mark

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Old September 16th 10, 06:56 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Unknown
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Default Airplane prices are ridiculous, Pt 3

On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:11:19 -0700 (PDT), Mark wrote:

I will remain on topic. Gay sex anyone?

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Mark


We're in!
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