Definitive website that proves Bush was AWOL

|Yes. It indicates that he skipped five monthly drills and didn't make them up,
|which is what the recently released DOD records -conclusively- show.

What monthly drills? That's not how the system worked. See
www.warbirdforum.com/bushf102.htm for a study of Bush's record, along
with the link comment on the nitty gritty of Guard training,
www.warbirdforum.com/guard.htm

I've looked at everything posted on the web on this subject (most of
it, of course, on anti-Bush sites), and his record looks good to me.
Much of the detail is to be found on the same sites that slime his
Guard service. The posters just don't understand what they are
reading, because they've never been in the military and don't
understand the argot. ("Cleared the post" and "received orders" are
especially likely to be misunderstood.)

all the best -- Dan Ford
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|Yes. It indicates that he skipped five monthly drills and didn't make them
up,
|which is what the recently released DOD records -conclusively- show.

What monthly drills? That's not how the system worked.

I was in the reserves myself. I know how it works.

You may not have seen this:

"There are two medals awarded to members of the Texas National Guard basically
for showing up:

Texas Govt Code 431.134 Para 1
Texas Faithful Service Medal

The Texas Faithful Service Medal shall be awarded to a member of the state
military forces who has completed five years of honorable service during which
the person has shown fidelity to duty, efficient service, and great loyalty to
the state.

and


Texas Govt Code 431.134 Para 5
Texas State Guard Service Medal

The Texas State Guard Service Medal, shall be awarded to a person completing
three consecutive years of honorable service in the Texas State Guard during
which the person has shown fidelity to duty, efficient service, and great
loyalty to the state.

According to his ANG22 (The Air National Guard discharge papers), Bush received
*NO* Texas National Guard Medals.

This means he did not faithfully execute his duty for five years in the TANG.
He also did not even faithfully execute his duty for *three* years in the TANG.
This supports the AWOL charges.

Furthermore, in the following photograph he wears two Air Force ribbons, Air
Force Outstanding Unit Award, and the Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon :

[here's the photo]

http://subvulture.com/goteam/george_bush_uniform.jpg

Neither of which show up on this line of his ARG22:

http://www.awolbush.com/images/BushANG22-box24.gif?CLIC...


Assuming Bush was wearing authorized awards, here is a comparison of Kerry and
Bush's awards records:


I have verified the Air Force Outstanding Unit Award and Air Force Small Arms
Expert Marksmanship ribbon only via a photograph of George W. Bush. Other Air
Force awards can only be verified if Bush releases his DD214.

Top to bottom, left to right as you look at them

Kerry:

Silver Star (Verified via DD214)
Bronze Star (Should have Bronze Combat "V" Device, Verified via DD214)
Purple Heart (Should have two Gold Star devices for subsequent awards, Verified
via DD214)
Combat Action Ribbon (Verified via DD214)
Presidential Unit Citation (Verified via DD215, worn above left pocket per Navy
regs)
Navy Unit Commendation (Verified via DD215)
National Defense Service Medal (Verified via DD214)
Vietnam Service Medal(Verified via DD214, w/four bronze star devices verified
via DD215)
Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross Unit Citation (Verified via DD215)
Republic of Vietnam Civil Actions Unit Citation (Verified via DD215)
Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal (Verified via DD215)

Dubya:

Air Force Outstanding Unit Award (verified via photograph only)
Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon (verified via photograph only)

Comparing in order of precedence, The Air Force Outstanding Unit Award falls
below Kerry's Navy Unit Commendation and above his National Defense Service
Medal. The Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon falls between Kerry's Vietnam
Service Medal and his Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross Unit Citation."

http://democraticunderground.com

So for some reason, the photo of Bush in uniform as a lieutenant shows ribbons
that don't appear on his discharge (which of course he didn't sign).

This is more evidence that Bush's discharge papers and other documents are post
facto constructs.

Strong circumstantial evidence on awolbush.com indicates that Bush was actually
ordered to active duty for failure to attend scheduled monthly drills, and
failing to report for active duty, declared a deserter.


Walt

(WalterM140) wrote in message ...
I was in the reserves myself. I know how it works.

Sorry chief, not in this case.


You may not have seen this:

"There are two medals awarded to members of the Texas National Guard basically
for showing up:

Texas Govt Code 431.134 Para 1
Texas Faithful Service Medal

The Texas Faithful Service Medal shall be awarded to a member of the state
military forces who has completed five years of honorable service during which
the person has shown fidelity to duty, efficient service, and great loyalty to
the state.

and


Texas Govt Code 431.134 Para 5
Texas State Guard Service Medal

The Texas State Guard Service Medal, shall be awarded to a person completing
three consecutive years of honorable service in the Texas State Guard during
which the person has shown fidelity to duty, efficient service, and great
loyalty to the state.

According to his ANG22 (The Air National Guard discharge papers), Bush received
*NO* Texas National Guard Medals.

This means he did not faithfully execute his duty for five years in the TANG.
He also did not even faithfully execute his duty for *three* years in the TANG.
This supports the AWOL charges.

No, it most certainly does not.

Item 1: The Texas State Guard Service Medal is restricted to members
of the Texas State Guard, the authorized state militia that has
existed since 1941. It cannot be federalized, and is indeed separate
from the Texas Army National Guard and the Texas Air National Guard.
Check the Texas State Code - the state military forces of Texas are
composed of the Texas National Guard (Army & Air), and the Texas State
Guard. Awarding Bush the TXSGSM for his service in the TXANG is like
awarding Kerry the Air Medal for his Navy service - it is a non
sequitar.

Item 2: I know from personal experience that awards of either medal
may take years to be processed, IF EVER. Both are processed through
the Adjutant General's Department for ALL state military forces. I
know of at least 3 instances where individuals finally received their
first award of the TXFSM after having already served 10-15 years in
the TXARNG.

The fact is, while both awards may be considered automatically
awarded, that is rarely the case - even today.

So, with all due respect, your argument holds zero weight. Please
check your facts before posting again.

So, with all due respect, your argument holds zero weight. Please
check your facts before posting again.

The Texas medals are only part of it, but nice try.

Bush's photo shows ribbons that don't appear on his discharge papers. This
suggests that his discharge was provided post facto. Add to that the fact that
he -didn't- sign his discharge and it raises a legitmate question.

Even more odd, one of the ribbons he is wearing is a unit award. No unit he
ever served in received such an award.

Walt

(WalterM140) wrote in message ...
So, with all due respect, your argument holds zero weight. Please
check your facts before posting again.

The Texas medals are only part of it, but nice try.

Bush's photo shows ribbons that don't appear on his discharge papers. This
suggests that his discharge was provided post facto. Add to that the fact that
he -didn't- sign his discharge and it raises a legitmate question.

Even more odd, one of the ribbons he is wearing is a unit award. No unit he
ever served in received such an award.

Walt

Walt,

Actually, one *does* appear on his papers. Look he

http://www.glcq.com/docs/unscribbled_11.htm

SAEMR - Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon

As for the other ribbon, the unit he was attached to - the 147th FIG -
was awarded the Air Force Outstanding Unit Award (AFOUA) three times,
once in 1966, once in 1975 and once again in 1982. This award is a
UNIT award, not a personal award. It is common for personnel to wear
the unit award for the duration of their assignment to the unit so
awarded.

Regards,

Tom