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Trig TT21 Transponder ... reports?
On Aug 19, 4:19*pm, Mike Schumann
wrote: On 8/19/2010 9:23 AM, Darryl Ramm wrote: On Aug 19, 12:10 am, *wrote: BTW ADS-B products used in contests are going to be "interesting" for the poor CD to deal with, ... not just worry about somebody getting weather reports. I'd expect Flarm to have that though out given their existing "stealth mode" and logging of that mode setting. Couldn't a pilot just have 2 Flarms, 1 to turn stealth mode logs in with and a separate one to leach with? -Paul You'd have to smuggle it aboard and risk being disqualified and then if you turned it on both Flarms are going to alert on the other devices presence. If anybody knows if there is a way to suppress those warnings and have the smuggled aboard device usable for leaching (e.g. I wonder on PowerFLARM you might be able to turn the volume down and even if the built-in display is useless because it has popped up a traffic alert you might be able to bring up the moving map on an attached PDA - but you might need to suppress the traffic alert pop-up on that display (if the software supports that)). Flarm also logs random position data of other aircraft in the IGC log file and that can be uploaded to Flarm to do things like help Flarm analyze effective range etc. and improve their products. I wonder if turning on another Flarm or PowerFLARM unit in the same glider, even if you were stupid enough to somehow turn off all the annoying alerts between each unit and try to use it to leach off somebody that your "official" FLARM unit would capture the presence of the "illegal" unit in its IGC log file. Of course to catch you somebody really have to suspect you are cheating and would then have to analyze your Flarm IGC log file. I kind of see it as the workable way in glider contests is you allow/ require Flarm based products and ban other ADS-B receivers (not transmitters), Mode S TIS, even maybe in-cockpit reception of SPOT trackers, etc. or you have to open the gates fully and allow any tracking technology receivers and the full on leaching that probably implies. Darryl Banning ADS-B in contests???? *We are all trying to increase the safety of aviation by increasing situational awareness for all pilots and you guys are talking about banning one of the most promising technologies out there because someone might use it to cheat in a contest????? Does anyone have any concept on how absurd this makes us look outside (even inside) of our small insular world??? -- Mike Schumann- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - In the UK we are supposed to use Flarm in 'stealth mode' for competitions, where it still warns you of impending collisions, but doesn't show you where other aircraft are that are not about to collide with you. I have to admit that I used a non-stealth Flarm unit in a 2009 Regional competition, and could often pick up other circling gliders ahead on the Flarm before I could see them, but only within a limited radius. Is looking for flashes of sunlight being reflected off the wings of a highly polished sailplane circling in the distance ahead of you also considered as cheating? Derek C |
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Trig TT21 Transponder ... reports?
On Aug 19, 11:19*am, Mike Schumann
wrote: Banning ADS-B in contests???? *We are all trying to increase the safety of aviation by increasing situational awareness for all pilots and you guys are talking about banning one of the most promising technologies out there because someone might use it to cheat in a contest????? Does anyone have any concept on how absurd this makes us look outside (even inside) of our small insular world??? -- Mike Schumann Yes, ADS-B is currently banned in US contests. Yes, the Rules Committee is aware that this "could be perceived as an issue" and will address it at their November meeting. Of course, some may remember that GPS was banned in USA competitions for two seasons after I introduced a GPS product to market, and during that time we did have, um, incursions... IIRC "GPS was going to ruin the sport !"... See ya, Dave |
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Trig TT21 Transponder ... reports?
On Aug 19, 7:28*am, SoaringXCellence wrote:
and the pilot has a glider instrument rating; There is no such rating! Instrument airplane is required. Andy (GY) |
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Trig TT21 Transponder ... reports?
On Aug 19, 7:28*am, SoaringXCellence wrote:
Cloud flying in Class G airspace is technically permitted, but probably an unwise activity. I would like to see the rule permitting that! See the FAR Basic VFR Minimums: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_20...4cfr91.155.htm "Clear of Clouds" is clearly spelled out. :-) --Noel |
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Trig TT21 Transponder ... reports?
On Aug 19, 12:46*pm, Andy wrote:
On Aug 19, 7:28*am, SoaringXCellence wrote: and the pilot has a glider instrument rating; There is no such rating! *Instrument airplane is required. Andy (GY) Actually, you take the practical in an airplane. Your certificate will include glider. Specificlly, my certificate says, "Instrument airplane, helicopter, and glider". One of the methods of maintaining glider instrument currency is completing an "Instrument Proficency Check" in a single engine airplane. Charlie |
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Trig TT21 Transponder ... reports?
On 2010/08/19 7:22 PM, noel.wade wrote:
On Aug 19, 7:28 am, wrote: Cloud flying in Class G airspace is technically permitted, but probably an unwise activity. I would like to see the rule permitting that! See the FAR Basic VFR Minimums: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_20...4cfr91.155.htm "Clear of Clouds" is clearly spelled out. :-) --Noel Any glider specific realxation of the VFR rule will be in your countries Part 104. New Zealand has one, as does UK - South Africa does not - not sure who else has one. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
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Trig TT21 Transponder ... reports?
On Aug 19, 10:37*am, cfinn wrote:
Specificlly, my certificate says, "Instrument airplane, helicopter, and glider". Please check your certificate again and post the exact wording including all punctuation. According to the FAA database, and assuming I found the correct person, it should say: Commercial Pilot Airplane Single and Multi Engine Land Rotorcraft Helicopter Glider Instrument Airplane and Helicopter There is no glider instrument rating. Andy |
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Trig TT21 Transponder ... reports?
On Aug 19, 10:22*am, "noel.wade" wrote:
I would like to see the rule permitting that! See the FAR Basic VFR Minimums:http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_20...4cfr91.155.htm "Clear of Clouds" is clearly spelled out. :-) This has been beaten to death before. Instrument flying in class G airscape is permitted with no flight plan if the plot is rated and the aircraft is properly equipped. VFR minima have no significance when flying IFR except that they stop a VFR pilot from entering cloud and colliding with a pilot legally flying on instruments. Andy (GY/CFII) |
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Trig TT21 Transponder ... reports?
On Aug 19, 11:20*am, Andy wrote:
VFR minima have no significance when flying IFR except that they stop a VFR pilot from entering cloud and colliding with a pilot legally flying on instruments. Right. The separation of the "Class G" statement from the rest of the paragraph about IFR flying in the original post made me think that the comment was disconnected from the comments about IFR in a glider. Simple misunderstanding. --Noel |
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Trig TT21 Transponder ... reports?
On Aug 19, 11:22*am, "noel.wade" wrote:
On Aug 19, 7:28*am, SoaringXCellence wrote: Cloud flying in Class G airspace is technically permitted, but probably an unwise activity. I would like to see the rule permitting that! See the FAR Basic VFR Minimums:http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_20...4cfr91.155.htm "Clear of Clouds" is clearly spelled out. :-) --Noel Generally if the rules don't prohibit an activity it is allowed. For example where is the rule that allows you to land on grass? The rule you specfiy is for VFR operations, operating in a cloud is either prohibited VFR or by definition an IFR operation. My understanding is that if you are Instrument rated and current and in a Instrument equipped aircraft you can fly into clouds in class G airspace without a flight plan or ATC approval. The most applicable rule is FAR 91.173 that requires a flight plan in "controlled" airspace. The corollary is if it is required in controlled airspace it must not be required in uncontrolled airspace. Brian CFIIG/ASEL |
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