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Old July 11th 03, 02:02 AM
Larry Dighera
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Idea Of Arming Global Hawk Draws Conflicting Comments From Pentagon
By Marc Selinger
July 10, 2003

Army Gen. Tommy Franks said July 9 that the Defense Department will
try to weaponize the Global Hawk surveillance aircraft, marking what
would appear to be a major policy reversal for the unmanned aerial
vehicle.

But Air Force officials disputed the general's comments, telling The
DAILY that the service has no plans to put weapons on Global Hawk. Air
Force officials have indicated in the past that they would not arm
Global Hawk because some countries would object to having a weaponized
UAV fly in their airspace. ....

[click the link to read the complete article]



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Old July 12th 03, 04:26 AM
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Larry Dighera wrote in message . ..
http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/new.../ghwk07103.xml

Idea Of Arming Global Hawk Draws Conflicting Comments From Pentagon
By Marc Selinger
July 10, 2003

Army Gen. Tommy Franks said July 9 that the Defense Department will
try to weaponize the Global Hawk surveillance aircraft, marking what
would appear to be a major policy reversal for the unmanned aerial
vehicle.

But Air Force officials disputed the general's comments, telling The
DAILY that the service has no plans to put weapons on Global Hawk. Air
Force officials have indicated in the past that they would not arm
Global Hawk because some countries would object to having a weaponized
UAV fly in their airspace. ....

[click the link to read the complete article]


I wonder if there are any plans to arm the stealthy UAV used in
operation Iraqi Freedom

http://aviationnow.com/avnow/news/ch.../07073news.xml

A stealthy UCAV would be an interesting SEAD/DEAD asset.
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Old July 13th 03, 02:41 PM
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Larry Dighera wrote in message . ..
http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/new.../ghwk07103.xml

Idea Of Arming Global Hawk Draws Conflicting Comments From Pentagon
By Marc Selinger
July 10, 2003

Army Gen. Tommy Franks said July 9 that the Defense Department will
try to weaponize the Global Hawk surveillance aircraft, marking what
would appear to be a major policy reversal for the unmanned aerial
vehicle.

But Air Force officials disputed the general's comments, telling The
DAILY that the service has no plans to put weapons on Global Hawk. Air
Force officials have indicated in the past that they would not arm
Global Hawk because some countries would object to having a weaponized
UAV fly in their airspace. ....

[click the link to read the complete article]


I wonder if there are any plans to arm the stealthy UAV used in
operation Iraqi Freedom

http://aviationnow.com/avnow/news/ch.../07073news.xml

A stealthy UCAV would be an interesting SEAD/DEAD asset.


Both current UCAV competitors are already stealthy designs.

Brooks



The UCAV competitors won't be in service for years, the stealthy UAV
mentioned in the link is in (very) limited service now.
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Old July 13th 03, 08:39 PM
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(Eric Moore) wrote in message . com...
(Kevin Brooks) wrote in message . com...
(Eric Moore) wrote in message . com...
Larry Dighera wrote in message . ..
http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/new.../ghwk07103.xml

Idea Of Arming Global Hawk Draws Conflicting Comments From Pentagon
By Marc Selinger
July 10, 2003

Army Gen. Tommy Franks said July 9 that the Defense Department will
try to weaponize the Global Hawk surveillance aircraft, marking what
would appear to be a major policy reversal for the unmanned aerial
vehicle.

But Air Force officials disputed the general's comments, telling The
DAILY that the service has no plans to put weapons on Global Hawk. Air
Force officials have indicated in the past that they would not arm
Global Hawk because some countries would object to having a weaponized
UAV fly in their airspace. ....

[click the link to read the complete article]

I wonder if there are any plans to arm the stealthy UAV used in
operation Iraqi Freedom

http://aviationnow.com/avnow/news/ch.../07073news.xml

A stealthy UCAV would be an interesting SEAD/DEAD asset.


Both current UCAV competitors are already stealthy designs.

Brooks



The UCAV competitors won't be in service for years, the stealthy UAV
mentioned in the link is in (very) limited service now.


They are not all that far off; last I heard the plan was to have an
IOC as early as 07. And what are the chances that thesurrent stealthy
UAV has a suitable weapons bay capable of handling a decent sized
weapon (this presumably is not a Hellfire class weapon)? If it doesn't
then say bye-bye to stealth if you want to strap a weapon on
externally.

Brooks
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Old July 14th 03, 03:12 AM
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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The UCAV competitors won't be in service for years, the
stealthy UAV
mentioned in the link is in (very) limited service now.


They are not all that far off; last I heard the plan was to have an
IOC as early as 07.


Last I heard for UCAN-V (the naval vehicle) was 2015.

And what are the chances that thesurrent stealthy
UAV has a suitable weapons bay capable of handling a decent sized
weapon (this presumably is not a Hellfire class weapon)?


That's a reasonable question. But a bay designed for large reconaissance
sensors might be adapted without too many problems. Or conformal carriage
(especially for JSOW) might be possible.


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Old July 14th 03, 08:51 PM
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The UCAV competitors won't be in service for years, the
stealthy UAV
mentioned in the link is in (very) limited service now.


They are not all that far off; last I heard the plan was to have an
IOC as early as 07.


Last I heard for UCAN-V (the naval vehicle) was 2015.


I am sure that various dates have been floated. I recall reading that
07 was the period the USAF was envisioning as service entry. DARPA
seems to be showing the R&D effort being "complete" (within the spiral
development plan, which of course means that continual refining and
further R&D would continue) in mid-06, according to:

http://www.darpa.mil/ucav/factSheet/...etProgram.html .



And what are the chances that thesurrent stealthy
UAV has a suitable weapons bay capable of handling a decent sized
weapon (this presumably is not a Hellfire class weapon)?


That's a reasonable question. But a bay designed for large reconaissance
sensors might be adapted without too many problems. Or conformal carriage
(especially for JSOW) might be possible.


Without the sensors it would likely be rather blind and of minimal use
even as a UCAV, I'd think. Conformal carriage sounds nice, but from
what I have read of stealth design it is a rather poor solution,
unless you are willing to sacrifice a large degree of any current LO
qualities already designed into the system. A fastener head out of
place can ruin the stealthy quality; this vehicle has obviously been
designed and manufactured, probably within rather stringent
tolerances, to be truly stealthy. When you start messing around with
the exterior geometry you will inevitably cause significant problems.
I see conformal carriage as being a way of enhancing the stealth
qualities of otherwise relatively non-stealthy platforms, not as a
good solution to the issue of increasing the load carrying capability
of an already stealthy platform.

Brooks
 




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