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I guess the important thing here is for everyone to follow their own
compass. Some people never exceed 55MPH on the freeway, most people do it every day. I think its more a weakness of the law than that of the majority of the population. Has something to do with federal matching funds and states wanting the money but not wanting to enforce the law. Sounds like situational ethics to me. If it feels good do it. This philosophy works great for the selfish until the shoe is on the other foot. Then they are very quick to call their own lawyer to protect their interests. The name for this is hypocricy. |
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From The Concise Oxford Dictionary
theft n. (Law) dishonest appropriation of another's property with intent to deprive him of it permanently. In no way does downloading music from the internet fit the definition of theft. It is copyright infringement and nothing else. BTW , shouting doesn't make you right, it only makes you LOUD. Doug "RobertR237" wrote Sorry Doug, but I can not accept that, it remains theft as far as I am concerned. But in either case, it is WRONG! Bob Reed |
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In article ogers.com, "Doug"
writes: From The Concise Oxford Dictionary theft n. (Law) dishonest appropriation of another's property with intent to deprive him of it permanently. In no way does downloading music from the internet fit the definition of theft. It is copyright infringement and nothing else. BTW , shouting doesn't make you right, it only makes you LOUD. Doug Theft b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property No matter how you try to justify it, it is the unlawful taking of property, it still is theft and it still is wrong. BTW, if you are going to try and use the dictionary to prove your points, you need to learn to read all the definitions and try to understand their meaning. You obviously stopped when you thought you found something to justify your point. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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Sorry Bob, but it ain't theft no matter how much you would 'like' it to be.
Even the RIAA knows it's not theft. I'm also not trying to 'justify it' and I'm not trying to say it's 'right', just that this is not theft . Anyway , I grow weary of this ....you aren't going to open your eyes , so I give you the last word. Doug "RobertR237" wrote Theft b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property No matter how you try to justify it, it is the unlawful taking of property, it still is theft and it still is wrong. BTW, if you are going to try and use the dictionary to prove your points, you need to learn to read all the definitions and try to understand their meaning. You obviously stopped when you thought you found something to justify your point. Bob Reed |
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Key words there are 'limited time'. Creativity in the USA is being stifled by folks trying to extend for an indefinite
time copyrights and patents. You cannot protect intellectual property. -- Dan D. .. "Bob Fry" wrote in message ... (DBlumel) writes: A buck per song is not bad? Are you nuts? That is as much or more than you would pay for a factory made cd, even more, when you consider the cost of the blank data disk. The only fair thing to do is rip off the music industry as bad as you can, for overcharging us for music all these years. -- Jim in NC Sorry Jim, we live in a free market economy. If you don't want to buy because the price is too high in your estimation, that's your choice. But you cannot justify stealing because you think they charge too much. Sure you can. I justify it for this reason: "To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;" US Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 8. The US Congress passed a law which Clinton signed which extends copyright for some works to nearly 100 years! Does that sound like "limited times to authors"? Hell no! Congress some time ago ruined the original intent of copyright and patents, and electronic reproduction of text, images, and sound has made the whole notion even more meaningless. Why is it that the little guy is forced to follow some law which big corporations forced upon the populace; but those big corporations don't have to follow the Constitution? I'm for the original intent of the Constitution: authors of works should enjoy exclusive right to their works for a limited time; then they're up for grabs. Especially in today's rapid-paced, instantly connected world--far different than 200+ years ago--"limited time" should be something between 5 to 10 years for most works, probably only 3 to 5 years for software. |
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So you are saying it is OK to copy a few, but many copies make it wrong? Just where is the cut off? Fair use is fair
use... -- Dan D. .. "RobertR237" wrote in message ... In article , "L.D." writes: "you are stealing a potiential sale from the owner of the rights to reproduce and sell the music" Ok it may be a poor example, but if it is, so is yours. Substitute hammer for music in your example. Then I stole the right of the maker of that hammer of a potential sale. OK I do say I shouldn't copy music and sell it. Neither should I copy that hammer and sell it. I have a pretty nice shop and I've copied several tools. Now if anyone is going to tell me I can't copy a tool in my shop for my use or a friend of mine, then our country is getting worse than a dictatorship. Same goes for music. Nobody is telling you that you can not make a copy for your use if you paid for the original but when you download those copies from some source by the MILLIONS and MILLIONS, you are participating in the theft. By the way, if you copy that tool totally and start selling it or even giving it away in numbers sufficient to get the attention of the original manufacturer, you will also find yourself hip deep in trouble. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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In article om, "Blueskies"
writes: So you are saying it is OK to copy a few, but many copies make it wrong? Just where is the cut off? Fair use is fair use... -- Dan D. There are provisions for making backup copies for the personal use of the purchaser. What we are discussing though is downloading copies that you never paid for or making copies and giving them away. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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Making copies and giving them away is (was) fair use - there is no profit to be made or expected, and it is just
sharing. I cannot imagine how many miles of cassette tape has been recorded and 'shared'. These uses have been convoluted and redefined by the big corporations to be now called taking or theft. It will be real interesting to see if anyone who is currently being sued by the record industry has deep enough pockets to adequately defend themselves. -- Dan D. .. "RobertR237" wrote in message ... In article om, "Blueskies" writes: So you are saying it is OK to copy a few, but many copies make it wrong? Just where is the cut off? Fair use is fair use... -- Dan D. There are provisions for making backup copies for the personal use of the purchaser. What we are discussing though is downloading copies that you never paid for or making copies and giving them away. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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My son just turned me on to "iTunes." Download the software from the web
site then go to the store and buy tunes for $.99 each. The software lets you burn the CD directly from the iTunes program and translates from mp3 format to what ever it is supposed to be to run on regular CD players. If you try to use you own CD burner program by just drag and dropping the music file it won't play on regular CD players. Found some Joan Bias (I know, Baez) and John Denver that I had never heard before. Lot of good Jazz and there is no charge for classical music. Jay Honeck wrote: We've got the PS Engineering CD/Intercom in our plane, and listen to CDs on long trips. I am obviously slipping into "dinosaur" status, as I have never downloaded music, for "burning" onto a blank CD. I *have* burned CDs, but I've always done it from tracks played off of another CD. Does anyone here download (and then burn) CDs for listening while in flight? Any recommended sites? Tips? Are these things still free, or did all the freebies get sued out of existence? Thanks! BTW: We've got FOUR new additions to the Rec.Aviation Rogue's Gallery! They a - The famous (infamous?) Badwater Bill Phillips, and the zillion planes he's flown... - Ross Richardson and his super 180 hp 172! - CJ Campbell, world-famous flight instructor, and his fabulous 206! - Bryan Chaisone, and his cool Robinson R-22 helicopter... See all these guys at http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rec_aviation.htm . -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" -- Bruce A. Frank, Editor "Ford 3.8/4.2L Engine and V-6 STOL Homebuilt Aircraft Newsletter" | Publishing interesting material| | on all aspects of alternative | | engines and homebuilt aircraft.| |
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