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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message nk.net... "John Clonts" wrote in message ... Indeed. To Andrew it was interesting enough to prompt him to post a usenet question about it! I think most of you folks are thinking of this clearance delivery frequency as being a separate position in the TRACON. That's extremely unlikely. Any airport with enough traffic to justify such a position is an airport needing a control tower. This frequency is almost certainly just an RTR located at the field because the normal approach control frequency for that area does not reach aircraft on the ground. It's probably labeled as a clearance delivery frequency instead of an approach frequency because some other facility not so far away also uses that frequency and airborne use of it would interfere. At my airport it's definitely this way. The guy I talk to at Gray CD is the same guy I talk to once airborne. That's why I would expect that CD could give me a clearance just as readily as approach could. And if they told me "contact FSS or contact approach once airborne", I would wonder about it, just like Andrew did. Seems like Roy Smith had a pretty good answer for it, though... Cheers, John Clonts Temple, Texas N7NZ |
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...but the A/FD listing for RID includes a frequency for Clearance Delivery,
albeit it says Dayton Clearance Delivery. I can understand Andrew's confusion, although I agree that he would have been better off to either file with FSS or take off and pop up. Bob Gardner "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message nk.net... "Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message om... The frequency I called was the definitely the clearance delivery frequency for the uncontrolled field, not the approach control frequency. However, now that you mention it, it seems quite possible that the approach controller could have been the guy handling the CD RCO frequency. Exactly. There's simply no reason to have a dedicated clearance delivery position at an uncontrolled field. However, that does not explain the strangeness of this situation. Had he asked me to call FSS and left it at that, I would not have considered that strange. But he asked me to call FSS OR call approach once airborne, which implied that in order to give a clearance on the ground I would have to file with FSS, but an airborne clearance could be had without filing with FSS. If he can work up a clearance for you once you're in the air he can do it when you're on the ground. |
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"Bob Gardner" wrote in message news:t938c.76989$Cb.1010750@attbi_s51... ..but the A/FD listing for RID includes a frequency for Clearance Delivery, albeit it says Dayton Clearance Delivery. I can understand Andrew's confusion, although I agree that he would have been better off to either file with FSS or take off and pop up. I do not see your point. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote: Although many use RCO, Remote Communications Outlet, to refer to any remote FAA radio, it's actually a tool of FSS. Terminal ATC facilities use RTRs, Remote Transmitter/Receivers, and Centers use RCAGs, Remote Communications Air/Ground facilities. And a newer service, the GCO, Ground Communication Outlet, maybe used to contact either FSS or Clearance Delivery. Click your radio transmitter slowly 4 times to contact Approach Control (Clearance Delivery) or click slowly 6 times to contact Flight Service. The GCO will connect to the appropriate facility via a telephone line, and when they answer you may transmit/receive to them via this phone patch. GCO's are not intended to be used from the air. They all appear to use the same frequency, 121.75 Mhz nationwide in the USA. GCOs allow a direct line on the ground in places where it has not been possible to place a RCO due to their need for an expensive dedicated 24 hour/7 day landline. The approach control option may not be available at all GCO locations. After a period of time without receiving a transmission the GCO will timeout and disconnect the phone patch. GCOs are listed in U.S. Government flight information publications in their terminal charts (instrument approach plates) and in the Airport/Facility Directory. |
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