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"Art67" wrote in message ... Thanks for your response. I will inquire with someone at the Palo Alto airport. I think that is where the noisy planes are from, though I'm sure it won't do me any good. By the way, if anyone reading this group uses the Palo Alto airport, has the flight path changed recently? Interesting... I don't fly but on a run past the PA airfield a couple days ago I couldn't help but notice a sign or two requesting that fliers hold the noise down out of respect for neighbors. There is at least some attempt to solve the problem. JK (who doesn't mind the noise) David Cartwright wrote: "Art67" wrote in message ... Every weekend there seems to be more private planes flying around. Last Sunday, for example, as i tried to enjoy a quiet afternoon, every 5 minutes or so, a plane would be buzzing outside. The noise is so loud, even the noise is louder than my TV or stereo. It's like a giant leaf blower flying over my place every 5 minutes. I have a new roof, double pane windows, so it's not a problem with my dwelling. Who can I complain to, or will I have to get use to ear plugs in my ears. I suspect other respondents will take the "damned NIMBYs" line, so I'll try a more reasoned response :-) The usual starting place is your local authority, though you could try calling the local airport. If they're to investigate the matter sensibly, you'll need to provide them with the registration markings of the aircraft that are disturbing you (and if they're close enough to be a real nuisance, they'll be close enough for you to read the registration letters). To be honest, though, it strikes me as odd that you're finding private aircraft disturbing to this extent. I live directly under the southern circuit path (left-hand circuits on RW27, right-hand on RW09) of Norwich Airport, and so I get a fair number of light aircraft pottering overhead at 1,000 feet (the standard height for circuits at Norwich). The noise is certainly not louder than the TV, even with the windows open, and even if you're sitting in the garden in the summer with a beer and a butty, you can happily carry on a conversation. (In fact when I was a student I used to live in what used to be the airmen's residences, which are physically attached to the airport!). Sounds like something's a bit amiss at your place. Perhaps the circuit height is a bit lower, or you're unfortunate enough to be in line with the runway centreline and you're getting the aircraft landing or taking off. If the latter, have a word with the airport about their noise abatement procedures. Where there are residential areas in line with the runway, many airfields (e.g. Old Buckenham, just down the road from here) dictate that pilots should adopt a climb-out heading that avoids civilisation, partly for noise abatement and partly for safety (if you're heading away from the houses, you stand a better chance of finding somewhere to dump it should your engine quit). Although the same is rarely true for landing aircraft (landing's tricky enough for the average pilot without making them do wonky approaches) one finds that the disturbance is less because they've got the throttle back to half-power or less during the approach. But I would urge you to talk to the airport, and even go see the manager, because nine times out of ten something can be done as a result of reasoned discussion. It may, after all, be that some pilots are flying lower than they should, in which case the airport can take steps to warn the offenders - or it may be that the airport could consider adding some noise abatement recommendations. Also bear in mind that the airport authorities will listen more intently if a number of people go to them than if it's just one lonesome person - but if a number of you have a problem, make sure you act reasonably and don't just head off on a rant, as that'll do nobody any good. Hope this helps, D. |
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In article , Art67
wrote: Thanks for your response. I will inquire with someone at the Palo Alto airport. I think that is where the noisy planes are from, though I'm sure it won't do me any good. By the way, if anyone reading this group uses the Palo Alto airport, has the flight path changed recently? I used to fly out of Palo Alto. Where do you live? The only housing around PAO is in East Palo Alto, under the departure of Runway 30 -- there is only marsh under the approach end of 30. We used to make a 30 degree right turn shortly after liftoff, to avoid East Palo Alto, as it was rumored that some of the residents were taking potshots at planes. San Carlos Airport is just about 5 miles north, along US 101 -- it could also be the cause of some noise. |
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"Jim Knoyle" wrote in
: Interesting... I don't fly but on a run past the PA airfield a couple days ago I couldn't help but notice a sign or two requesting that fliers hold the noise down out of respect for neighbors. There is at least some attempt to solve the problem. I suspect you are talking about a "Noise Abatement" sign. More and more airports are adopting them, some as a requirement, others as a "suggested procedures." In some cases the pilot (at least when departing from some runways) can significantly reduce the footprint over noise-sensitive areas by a slight turn after takeoff, which is probably good for both the pilot and the neighbors. Unfortunately, many airports (including where I am based) have seen major housing developments almost completely surround the airport. In those cases the ONLY option the pilot has left is to depart with a lower climb per minute rate (either by reducing power, reducing propeller speed, or climbing at a higher angle). There is a small, but significant reduction in safety when the pilot does this... it's like asking you to only use low gear when pulling onto the freeway, meaning that the other traffic is moving a lot faster than you are. Not the safest way to handle things. ----------------------------------------------- James M. Knox TriSoft ph 512-385-0316 1109-A Shady Lane fax 512-366-4331 Austin, Tx 78721 ----------------------------------------------- |
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wrote: Orval Fairbairn wrote: San Carlos Airport is just about 5 miles north, along US 101 -- it could also be the cause of some noise. I thought about that too. I will watch the planes this weekend, to see where they are coming from. You do realize, of course, that the planes are doing nothing illegal, and that active private aviation is a sign of a healthy society and is also a part of modern life -- especially in urban areas. |
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"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message news In article , Art67 wrote: Orval Fairbairn wrote: San Carlos Airport is just about 5 miles north, along US 101 -- it could also be the cause of some noise. I thought about that too. I will watch the planes this weekend, to see where they are coming from. You do realize, of course, that the planes are doing nothing illegal, and that active private aviation is a sign of a healthy society and is also a part of modern life -- especially in urban areas. Why do people find noise from suburban airports so annoying. Try listening to highway noise. My home is several miles from I-495 and I can hear it sometimes. The gym I use is a few hundred yards from the highway and the noise is deafening. |
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"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
newsrfairbairn_spam_sucks- You do realize, of course, that the planes are doing nothing illegal, and that active private aviation is a sign of a healthy society and is also a part of modern life -- especially in urban areas. Assuming that they're conforming with minimum height requirements, published circuit heights, etc, etc :-) As I've mentioned in a previous post, my local airport has a circuit height of 1,000 feet, and it's very easy to tell, noise-wise, when someone who's used to a lower circuit height at another airfield comes pottering over my house at 800 feet. D. |
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As an AOPA Airport Support Network volunteer, noise is a HUGE issue.
The problem with aircraft noise is, I think, twofold. One, it comes from an unusual direction (overhead)which is probably hard-wired in the human nervous system as a "panic, panic, danger in the trees" response. Two, and perhaps more important, aircraft noise is intermittent. Folks can get used to ungodly noise levels IF they are consistent. It's the anticipation of the NEXT "damn little airplane" that makes the noise so aggravating. In other words, if there were loudspeakers around every housing development broadcasting aircraft noises 24x7, folks would get used to the background noise, and wouldn't even notice when one more joined the pattern. Rip Orval Fairbairn wrote: In article , Art67 wrote: Orval Fairbairn wrote: San Carlos Airport is just about 5 miles north, along US 101 -- it could also be the cause of some noise. I thought about that too. I will watch the planes this weekend, to see where they are coming from. You do realize, of course, that the planes are doing nothing illegal, and that active private aviation is a sign of a healthy society and is also a part of modern life -- especially in urban areas. |
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James M. Knox wrote:
: per minute rate (either by reducing power, reducing propeller speed, or : climbing at a higher angle). There is a small, but significant reduction : in safety when the pilot does this... it's like asking you to only use low : gear when pulling onto the freeway, meaning that the other traffic is : moving a lot faster than you are. Not the safest way to handle things. It's worse than that... partial-power takeoffs are generally not only not recommended, but can cause engine damage in some configurations. For example, in most Lycomings, full-throttle included additional fuel enrichement beyond just "full rich." Reducing this and/or RPM (if CS prop) can lead to detonation. -Cory -- ************************************************** *********************** * The prime directive of Linux: * * - learn what you don't know, * * - teach what you do. * * (Just my 20 USm$) * ************************************************** *********************** |
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Art67 wrote in
: Yes, highway noise, truck noise, lawn mower noise etc. is bad too, but that noise I can block out pretty well with double pane windows and insulation, and loud music if need be, but plane noise comes through the roof, and I don't know how to handle that. I guess I'm just more sensitive to noise than most people. I asked a friend if the plane noise bothered her, and she said no. I was at our local airport today and I heard the takeoff noise of the loudest Bonanza I'd ever heard. I went outside to see how low it was ... turned out to be a Chevy with no muffler roaring down the side street. -- John Godwin Silicon Rallye Inc. (remove SPAMNOT from email address) |
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Attic insulation helps....
"Art67" wrote in message ... William W. Plummer wrote: "Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message In article , Art67 wrote: Orval Fairbairn wrote: San Carlos Airport is just about 5 miles north, along US 101 -- it could also be the cause of some noise. I thought about that too. I will watch the planes this weekend, to see where they are coming from. You do realize, of course, that the planes are doing nothing illegal, and that active private aviation is a sign of a healthy society and is also a part of modern life -- especially in urban areas. Why do people find noise from suburban airports so annoying. Try listening to highway noise. My home is several miles from I-495 and I can hear it sometimes. The gym I use is a few hundred yards from the highway and the noise is deafening. Yes, highway noise, truck noise, lawn mower noise etc. is bad too, but that noise I can block out pretty well with double pane windows and insulation, and loud music if need be, but plane noise comes through the roof, and I don't know how to handle that. I guess I'm just more sensitive to noise than most people. I asked a friend if the plane noise bothered her, and she said no. |
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