A aviation & planes forum. AviationBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AviationBanter forum » rec.aviation newsgroups » Soaring
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

SAFE Winch Launching



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old July 5th 09, 04:08 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Frank Whiteley
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,099
Default SAFE Winch Launching

On Jul 5, 7:50*am, "Alistair Wright" wrote:
In all this discussion of winches, and the building thereof, no one has
mentioned auto towing. The 'reverse auto tow' is the most efficient launch
method I have ever encountered. We used it at the Essex Club at North Weald
while I instructed there.

You need a nice long runway, about 6000ft is ideal but shorter will do. The
ingredients a

1) Two large automatic cars of about 100BHP - we used retired V6 Ford
Zephyrs - we will call them car1 and car2. A driver and observer (who
watches the glider) are required.

2) A large grooved pulley about six feet in diameter on a rotatable gimbal
and anchored firmly to the ground. The pulley is at the opposite end of the
runway to the launch point.

3) A piece of single strand piano wire the length of the runway.

4) Gliders with pilots.

The wire is passed over the pulley and attached to car 1 which is sitting at
the pulley and the other end to the glider via the usual rope, parachute,
and weak link. Car 2 is sitting at the launch point. Slack is taken up, and
at the all out signal car 1 sets off down the runway towards the glider
which most obligingly lifts off, and sets off up what is now effectively a
winch launch. Meanwhile car 2 sets off following the glider towards the
pulley avoiding car 1, of course, which is driving at about 35- 40 mph
towards the launch point. Glider releases, (we often got nearly 2000ft on a
good day), and car 1 carries on the launch point while car 2 arrives at the
pulley. The cable has launching tackle on both ends, so the next glider is
coupled on and car 2 is connected to the cable and does the next launch ....
need I go on? *We used to get 20 launches an hour using this method. No time
is wasted retrieving cables. No need to buy an expensive winch, and the
cheap cable lasted a long time. Ford Zephyrs were also fairly cheap from the
scrap yard, and we had people in the club adept at fixing them. *As quite of
lot of American clubs seem to have access to runways I cannot see why they
cannot try this method of launching. I recommend it.

Alistair Wright


Having launched with EGC at North Weald a couple of occasions many
years ago, my experience was a bit different. We got maybe 800ft in
the K13, but I think the normal launch cars were broken down and a
manually shifted Vauxhall was in use. Each time it shifted, the
drogue chute was over the nose of the glider. I got 1200ft in the SHK
on the other day. IIRC, airspace was limited to 2200ft until about
five miles north. (Have to dig out an old chart that's archived
somewhere). On the days I was there, only one vehicle was in use and
on the first day, there was a wire snarl up on the pulley system (two
big wheels) that delayed things for well over an hour.

However, I do agree that the system may be very efficient. To that
end, the old Cotswold GC system was, IMVHO, more elegant and required
less people to operate
http://www.coloradosoaring.org/think...ey/default.htm

In addition to the long runway, CGC insisted on a lateral 2000ft clear
zone around the pulley. Piano wire is nasty stuff when it breaks
under tension. They also used rather more substantial tow vehicles
and you couldn't launch modern K-21's, DG-50X's and 1000's and single
seaters with Zephyr's. You can't discount the cost of powerful tow
vehicles. We did okay at Enstone GC with an XJ6 Jag on auto tow.
After many years, Cotswold GC reverted to winching.
http://www.cotswoldgliding.co.uk/ They formerly had a history page
about the reverse pulley, but I don't find anything on their web site
now. They do mention that learning to glide is cheaper than learning
to drive though;^)

We do have some long runways in the US, but few are lacking runway
lights or other obstacles that are too close to entertain reverse
pulley launching. On these same runways, it's quite feasible to winch
using the UHMWPE ropes.

Regards,

Frank Whiteley
  #2  
Old July 27th 09, 12:30 PM
Gene Hilsheimer Gene Hilsheimer is offline
Junior Member
 
First recorded activity by AviationBanter: Jul 2009
Posts: 1
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Derek Copeland[_2_] View Post
To all my friends in the United States of America.

You may have got the impression from some recent correspondence on this
site that winch launchings is about as risky as bungey jumping or joining
a Kamikaze squadron!
I have only had time to read a few of the replies to this thread... but after a year of flying with Fenlands Glider Club at RAF Marham - back in the late 80's I ended up with some 120+ winch launches. Now, some 23 years later, I'm back in the cockpit, learning aerotows.

I never felt concerned with any of my winch launches... even my 50ft cable break. And learning to operate the winch after going solo was also an experience I wouldn't give anything for.

I'm happy with my aerotows as they get me a bit higher than any of my winch launches... but from one who has done both, I'd say that I would be happy with either. Both are as safe as the pilot being launched and the launch operator, be it winch or tow plane.
  #3  
Old December 3rd 15, 08:53 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
[email protected]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4
Default SAFE Winch Launching

China Shenzhen ZHAOWEI Machinery & Electronics Co. Ltd engages in designing, manufacturing and marketing all kinds of electric motors. They are mainly suitable for the following applications: smart home application used in smart kitchen and laundry, medical instrument for personal care, smart E-transmission applied in automobile, industry automation applied in telecommunication and a great variety of plastic/metal planetary gearbox in different sizes.
In order to develop the oversea market, we are current seeking new partners around the world to create a bright future together. ZhaoWei is a right choice and excellent partnership with sincere services.

Company: Shenzhen ZHAOWEI Machinery & Electronics Co., Ltd
URL: http://www.zwgearbox.com/
Contact: Anny Liu
Tel:+86-755-27322652
Fax:+86-755-27323949

Add: Blk. 18, Longwangmiao Industry Park, Fuyong Tn., Bao’an Dist., Shenzhen 518103, Guangdong, China
  #4  
Old January 6th 16, 09:53 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
[email protected]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 4
Default SAFE Winch Launching

China Shenzhen ZHAOWEI Machinery & Electronics Co. Ltd engages in designing, manufacturing and marketing all kinds of electric motors. They are mainly suitable for the following applications: smart home application used in smart kitchen and laundry, medical instrument for personal care, smart E-transmission applied in automobile, industry automation applied in telecommunication and a great variety of plastic/metal planetary gearbox in different sizes.
In order to develop the oversea market, we are current seeking new partners around the world to create a bright future together. ZhaoWei is a right choice and excellent partnership with sincere services.

Company: Shenzhen ZHAOWEI Machinery & Electronics Co., Ltd
URL: http://www.zwgearbox.com/
Contact: Annie Liu
Tel:+86-755-27322652
Fax:+86-755-27323949

Add: Blk. 18, Longwangmiao Industry Park, Fuyong Tn., Bao’an Dist., Shenzhen 518103, Guangdong, China
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Winch Launching in US john hawkins Soaring 11 June 10th 09 12:18 PM
Winch Launching Rolf Soaring 27 January 7th 09 02:48 AM
Ka8b winch launching Jimmie L. Coulthard Soaring 11 September 9th 08 08:38 AM
Aerotow Fuel Costs & Winch Launching Derek Copeland[_2_] Soaring 2 May 26th 08 03:14 PM
LIppmann reports a 950 meter winch launch with their Dynatec winch line - anything higher? Bill Daniels Soaring 20 December 27th 04 12:33 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:18 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 AviationBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.