Of parachutes and things

"ShawnD2112" wrote in message
...
"Hot as hell in the summer"??? You've not spent much time over here
in the
UK, have you, Dudley? It briefly (and I mean for a couple of hours)
got to
100 degrees F one August day last year and that was the hottest
temperature
ever recorded in the UK. The Brits didn't know what to do with
themselves
in the heat!

I keep forgetting you're over THERE :-))))

Anyway, good luck with the flight suit. When you pick the color,
remember on the display circuit, you're eating on the fly most of the
time and that mustard from those damn hot dogs can really stain you up
in a hurry. No matter how hard you try, you always seem to end up with a
large blotch on you just about the time kids are lining up to get an
autograph :-)))
Dudley

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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"ShawnD2112" wrote in message
...
"Hot as hell in the summer"??? You've not spent much time over here
in the
UK, have you, Dudley?

I keep forgetting you're over THERE :-))))

Anyway, good luck with the flight suit. When you pick the color,
remember on the display circuit, you're eating on the fly most of the
time and that mustard from those damn hot dogs can really stain you up
in a hurry. No matter how hard you try, you always seem to end up with a
large blotch on you just about the time kids are lining up to get an
autograph :-)))

We don't have hot dogs either. And I think the Red Arrows would
complain if you wore a copy of their red flight suits to catch the ketchup
from the bacon sandwich.

You could put on a brown one and use HP sauce.

Or a yellow one and have a bacon and egg sandwich without the
sauce.

Paul

"ShawnD2112" wrote in message news:AnZDc.1369$Dq1.851@newsfe6-win...
Was hoping to get a bit of expertise here. I'm in the market for an
emergency bailout chute for flying in my Pitts S-1D. The top US contenders
seem to be National and Softie but with no experience in the field, and
parachutes not exactly being the kind of object you can try on for size in
the shop, I don't really know what to look for and what to avoid. I'd
appreciate any tips anyone out there could provide. Are there any European
models that anyone has any experience with? Obviously comfort and space in
the cockpit are major considerations.

Thanks!
Shawn

Shawn,

I just bought a softie chute for my Pitts S1C. It is a special one
made for the Pitts S1. It is a seatpack in the shape of a wedge. Its
not listed on their web site but they will make you one. I'm a big guy
and the S1C is the smallest Pitts. If it works for me in my plane it
should work for you in yours. Call Dan or Jim at Parapania and ask
about it.

Good Luck,
Ernie

Ernie,
I think Jim was telling me about you. He mentioned making one special for a
C when I spoke to him last week. He suggested I go for a seatpack since I'm
sitting on about 4" of cushion at the moment. Only being 5 10" I've got a
bit of headroom to play with. Which harness rig did you go for? How
satisfied were you with their customer service? How comfortable is your rig
during aerobatics?

Thanks for the tips,
Shawn
"Ernest C. Byars" wrote in message
om...
"ShawnD2112" wrote in message
news:AnZDc.1369$Dq1.851@newsfe6-win...
Was hoping to get a bit of expertise here. I'm in the market for an
emergency bailout chute for flying in my Pitts S-1D. The top US
contenders
seem to be National and Softie but with no experience in the field, and
parachutes not exactly being the kind of object you can try on for size
in
the shop, I don't really know what to look for and what to avoid. I'd
appreciate any tips anyone out there could provide. Are there any
European
models that anyone has any experience with? Obviously comfort and space
in
the cockpit are major considerations.

Thanks!
Shawn

Shawn,

I just bought a softie chute for my Pitts S1C. It is a special one
made for the Pitts S1. It is a seatpack in the shape of a wedge. Its
not listed on their web site but they will make you one. I'm a big guy
and the S1C is the smallest Pitts. If it works for me in my plane it
should work for you in yours. Call Dan or Jim at Parapania and ask
about it.

Good Luck,
Ernie

"ShawnD2112" wrote in message ...
Ernie,
I think Jim was telling me about you. He mentioned making one special for a
C when I spoke to him last week. He suggested I go for a seatpack since I'm
sitting on about 4" of cushion at the moment. Only being 5 10" I've got a
bit of headroom to play with. Which harness rig did you go for? How
satisfied were you with their customer service? How comfortable is your rig
during aerobatics?

Thanks for the tips,
Shawn
"Ernest C. Byars" wrote in message
om...
"ShawnD2112" wrote in message
news:AnZDc.1369$Dq1.851@newsfe6-win...
Was hoping to get a bit of expertise here. I'm in the market for an
emergency bailout chute for flying in my Pitts S-1D. The top US
contenders
seem to be National and Softie but with no experience in the field, and
parachutes not exactly being the kind of object you can try on for size
in
the shop, I don't really know what to look for and what to avoid. I'd
appreciate any tips anyone out there could provide. Are there any
European
models that anyone has any experience with? Obviously comfort and space
in
the cockpit are major considerations.

Thanks!
Shawn

Shawn,

I just bought a softie chute for my Pitts S1C. It is a special one
made for the Pitts S1. It is a seatpack in the shape of a wedge. Its
not listed on their web site but they will make you one. I'm a big guy
and the S1C is the smallest Pitts. If it works for me in my plane it
should work for you in yours. Call Dan or Jim at Parapania and ask
about it.

Good Luck,
Ernie

Shawn,

I am very satisfied with their service. Dan said he would take the
chute back if I was not happy with it. I don't think you will find
much better service than that. If you can use a 4" cushion you won't
have a problem. I was sitting on a 2" cushion before. With the wedge
seat pack I can even move it foreword to sit lower than a 2" cushion.
My plane is open cockpit so if I sit too high I am out in the
slipstream. If you have a canopy you should be able to sit higher than
me. I am 5' 11" so that gives you another inch to work with. You may
not even need the wedge option. I like the wedge because I can adjust
my height in the cockpit by moving the chute foreword or back. I went
for the standard harness instead of the aerobatic harness. I asked Jim
this question. What is the disadvantage of the aerobatic harness? His
answer, the disadvantage of the aerobatic harness vs. the normal is it
takes more time to put the aerobatic harness on. The plus is the
normal harness may be uncomfortable during extended negative G
maneuvers if your seat belts go across the quick releases. Negative G
maneuvers may cause the quick releases to press hard into your thighs
causing pain or even bruises. My seatbelts did not interfere with the
quick releases so I opted for the standard harness. They provided me a
chute to try out before purchase. I initially wanted the aerobatic
harness but the standard harness was comfortable. So I ordered the
standard one. I don't think a chute will ever be as comfortable as a
cushion though. But the added safety factor is a real plus when you
are doing maneuvers for the first time or in the event of an airframe
failure. I hope I have answered some of your questions. If I can be of
more help please let me know.

Ernie

You certainly have answered some questions for me, Ernie. Thanks very much.
I wish I could try one on before buying but being in the UK makes it a bit
inconvenient. However, Jim said they'd keep working until I was happy, no
matter how many times I had to send it back to them for refitting or
whatever. You can't argue with a deal like that.

Cheers,
Shawn
"Ernest C. Byars" wrote in message
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"ShawnD2112" wrote in message
...
Ernie,
I think Jim was telling me about you. He mentioned making one special
for a
C when I spoke to him last week. He suggested I go for a seatpack since
I'm
sitting on about 4" of cushion at the moment. Only being 5 10" I've got
a
bit of headroom to play with. Which harness rig did you go for? How
satisfied were you with their customer service? How comfortable is your
rig
during aerobatics?

Thanks for the tips,
Shawn
"Ernest C. Byars" wrote in message
om...
"ShawnD2112" wrote in message
news:AnZDc.1369$Dq1.851@newsfe6-win...
Was hoping to get a bit of expertise here. I'm in the market for an
emergency bailout chute for flying in my Pitts S-1D. The top US
contenders
seem to be National and Softie but with no experience in the field,
and
parachutes not exactly being the kind of object you can try on for
size
in
the shop, I don't really know what to look for and what to avoid.
I'd
appreciate any tips anyone out there could provide. Are there any
European
models that anyone has any experience with? Obviously comfort and
space
in
the cockpit are major considerations.

Thanks!
Shawn

Shawn,

I just bought a softie chute for my Pitts S1C. It is a special one
made for the Pitts S1. It is a seatpack in the shape of a wedge. Its
not listed on their web site but they will make you one. I'm a big guy
and the S1C is the smallest Pitts. If it works for me in my plane it
should work for you in yours. Call Dan or Jim at Parapania and ask
about it.

Good Luck,
Ernie

Shawn,

I am very satisfied with their service. Dan said he would take the
chute back if I was not happy with it. I don't think you will find
much better service than that. If you can use a 4" cushion you won't
have a problem. I was sitting on a 2" cushion before. With the wedge
seat pack I can even move it foreword to sit lower than a 2" cushion.
My plane is open cockpit so if I sit too high I am out in the
slipstream. If you have a canopy you should be able to sit higher than
me. I am 5' 11" so that gives you another inch to work with. You may
not even need the wedge option. I like the wedge because I can adjust
my height in the cockpit by moving the chute foreword or back. I went
for the standard harness instead of the aerobatic harness. I asked Jim
this question. What is the disadvantage of the aerobatic harness? His
answer, the disadvantage of the aerobatic harness vs. the normal is it
takes more time to put the aerobatic harness on. The plus is the
normal harness may be uncomfortable during extended negative G
maneuvers if your seat belts go across the quick releases. Negative G
maneuvers may cause the quick releases to press hard into your thighs
causing pain or even bruises. My seatbelts did not interfere with the
quick releases so I opted for the standard harness. They provided me a
chute to try out before purchase. I initially wanted the aerobatic
harness but the standard harness was comfortable. So I ordered the
standard one. I don't think a chute will ever be as comfortable as a
cushion though. But the added safety factor is a real plus when you
are doing maneuvers for the first time or in the event of an airframe
failure. I hope I have answered some of your questions. If I can be of
more help please let me know.

Ernie

Shawn,

My Pitts S1- C (with D fuselage) came with a National chairpack. What I
didn't know at the time was the previous owner had set a piece of plywood
across the seat bottom frame to increase his eye height. This is a good
combination, as the visibility is as good as it can be, and when I'm hanging
upside down I can just feel my dangling hair touch the canopy. I took the
plywood out to try some circuits one day, and the 1.5" less height seriously
reduced the visibility (and the quality of my landings). This chairpack
doesn't give me good lumbar support, which I can feel on a cross-country
flight, but it's fine for g's. I can actually feel the diaper through my
rear end, but because the packed parachute is quite firm on the bottom
portion it doesn't tend to move or squish on higher g's. Without the
plywood, I think a seatpack would be the best for this aircraft and me
(6'160#). I don't think any type of backpack would be comfortable in this
aircraft, and even worse in a 'C' fuselage.

The parachutes are all tested and TSO'd in different categories. Older
style systems were either low speed (under 150mph) or standard category.
Military surplus are all standard category. Drop testing was done to a
standard that (theoretically) imparted a shock load on the system, which
decided in which category the system fit. 3000 and 5000 lbs seems to ring a
bell here. Later TSO requirements of C23c allowed for 3 different
categories, cat B being the most common -- a drop testing of 300 lbs at
175kts, with placarding at 254lbs at 150 kts. TSO C23D allowed for more
categories with different weight/speed restrictions, which was great for the
extra lighter or heavier user who may need different requirements. Current
day standards call for a "full-stow" diaper on a round parachute, which
stages the parachute deployment, thus increasing the reliability of the
opening. Without a diaper the parachute is allowed to open before the lines
become taut -- imagine the shock when the lines finally tighten up on a
parachute partially open already! In the days before the full stow diaper,
the lines were unstowed from the pack tray, which allowed for the potential
of arms and legs to get tangled up in the unstowing lines (especially for a
pilot making his first jump and not maintaining balance/stability on the
relative airflow). The full stow diaper carries all of the line stows on
it, so the lines unstow from the top down, and once the parachute is out of
the container the the lines are well out of the reach of an unstable pilot.

The opening speeds here are very important, as the drag from the opening
parachute increases in square to the speed increase. My Pitts has a VNE of
203mph/176kt, which could easily cause damage to a parachute rated at only
150 kts. Higher speed parachute systems incorporate other staging devices
to inhibit the opening of the parachute for a very short period of time
while the parachute and user slow down; all to reduce the opening shock to
an acceptable level. Altitude above sea level plays a part here as well, as
parachutes tend to open faster/harder in thinner air (don't ask me why) and
they land faster too. Landing a parachute may be a consideration here as
well. While the cockpit may only have enough room for a 24' parachute, the
200 pound user may find extensive lower leg and back injuries a real
possibility after a successful bailout, and our bones take longer to heal as
we get older....

I manufacture, repair, repack and sell all kinds of parachute equipment for
my business. Good luck on picking the 'right' system for you and your
Pitts.

Al MacDonald
Flying High Manufacturing Inc.




"ShawnD2112" wrote in message
news:AnZDc.1369$Dq1.851@newsfe6-win...
Was hoping to get a bit of expertise here. I'm in the market for an
emergency bailout chute for flying in my Pitts S-1D. The top US
contenders
seem to be National and Softie but with no experience in the field, and
parachutes not exactly being the kind of object you can try on for size in
the shop, I don't really know what to look for and what to avoid. I'd
appreciate any tips anyone out there could provide. Are there any
European
models that anyone has any experience with? Obviously comfort and space
in
the cockpit are major considerations.

Thanks!
Shawn

Al,
Thanks for the info - the most informative response to date. In the
meantime since my first post, and based on the reponses I got here, I've
gone with the Softie seat pack. Confirmed the order last week and it should
arrive soon. Looking forward to receiving it and seeing how it all fits.

Cheers,
Shawn
"Al MacDonald" wrote in message
news:0YRKc.43754$2i3.11107@clgrps12...
Shawn,

My Pitts S1- C (with D fuselage) came with a National chairpack. What I
didn't know at the time was the previous owner had set a piece of plywood
across the seat bottom frame to increase his eye height. This is a good
combination, as the visibility is as good as it can be, and when I'm
hanging
upside down I can just feel my dangling hair touch the canopy. I took the
plywood out to try some circuits one day, and the 1.5" less height
seriously
reduced the visibility (and the quality of my landings). This chairpack
doesn't give me good lumbar support, which I can feel on a cross-country
flight, but it's fine for g's. I can actually feel the diaper through my
rear end, but because the packed parachute is quite firm on the bottom
portion it doesn't tend to move or squish on higher g's. Without the
plywood, I think a seatpack would be the best for this aircraft and me
(6'160#). I don't think any type of backpack would be comfortable in this
aircraft, and even worse in a 'C' fuselage.

The parachutes are all tested and TSO'd in different categories. Older
style systems were either low speed (under 150mph) or standard category.
Military surplus are all standard category. Drop testing was done to a
standard that (theoretically) imparted a shock load on the system, which
decided in which category the system fit. 3000 and 5000 lbs seems to ring
a
bell here. Later TSO requirements of C23c allowed for 3 different
categories, cat B being the most common -- a drop testing of 300 lbs at
175kts, with placarding at 254lbs at 150 kts. TSO C23D allowed for more
categories with different weight/speed restrictions, which was great for
the
extra lighter or heavier user who may need different requirements.
Current
day standards call for a "full-stow" diaper on a round parachute, which
stages the parachute deployment, thus increasing the reliability of the
opening. Without a diaper the parachute is allowed to open before the
lines
become taut -- imagine the shock when the lines finally tighten up on a
parachute partially open already! In the days before the full stow
diaper,
the lines were unstowed from the pack tray, which allowed for the
potential
of arms and legs to get tangled up in the unstowing lines (especially for
a
pilot making his first jump and not maintaining balance/stability on the
relative airflow). The full stow diaper carries all of the line stows on
it, so the lines unstow from the top down, and once the parachute is out
of
the container the the lines are well out of the reach of an unstable
pilot.

The opening speeds here are very important, as the drag from the opening
parachute increases in square to the speed increase. My Pitts has a VNE
of
203mph/176kt, which could easily cause damage to a parachute rated at only
150 kts. Higher speed parachute systems incorporate other staging devices
to inhibit the opening of the parachute for a very short period of time
while the parachute and user slow down; all to reduce the opening shock to
an acceptable level. Altitude above sea level plays a part here as well,
as
parachutes tend to open faster/harder in thinner air (don't ask me why)
and
they land faster too. Landing a parachute may be a consideration here as
well. While the cockpit may only have enough room for a 24' parachute,
the
200 pound user may find extensive lower leg and back injuries a real
possibility after a successful bailout, and our bones take longer to heal
as
we get older....

I manufacture, repair, repack and sell all kinds of parachute equipment
for
my business. Good luck on picking the 'right' system for you and your
Pitts.

Al MacDonald
Flying High Manufacturing Inc.




"ShawnD2112" wrote in message
news:AnZDc.1369$Dq1.851@newsfe6-win...
Was hoping to get a bit of expertise here. I'm in the market for an
emergency bailout chute for flying in my Pitts S-1D. The top US
contenders
seem to be National and Softie but with no experience in the field, and
parachutes not exactly being the kind of object you can try on for size
in
the shop, I don't really know what to look for and what to avoid. I'd
appreciate any tips anyone out there could provide. Are there any
European
models that anyone has any experience with? Obviously comfort and space
in
the cockpit are major considerations.

Thanks!
Shawn

Shawn, I forgot something very important!

I'd strongly suggest you make a habit of putting on the parachute and then
getting in the Pitts. Get out of the Pitts with the parachute on, then
remove it. Do NOT get in the habit of getting out of the plane without your
parachute on, as it could cultivate a very bad habit (and make you look
rather stupid in the obituary). I know it's a bit of a pain with my
chairpack, and probably even more so with the seat pack, but well worth the
extra effort.

One other thing: repacks. In Canada there are no laws/regulations requiring
you to wear a parachute or when it has to be repacked. Not so in the USA,
where the repack cycle is currently 120 days and wearing an out of date
parachute is breaking one of the FARs. It may be a good idea to check into
what your legal requirements are in the UK, if I understood correctly that
is where you are from. While I feel somewhat obligated to advise my
customers on the rules in Canada vs. the US in this department vs. the
manufacturers instructions, realistically most of the glider parachutes are
lucky to show up here for an annual repack.

That's all.

al.



"ShawnD2112" wrote in message
...
Al,
Thanks for the info - the most informative response to date. In the
meantime since my first post, and based on the reponses I got here, I've
gone with the Softie seat pack. Confirmed the order last week and it
should
arrive soon. Looking forward to receiving it and seeing how it all fits.

Cheers,
Shawn
"Al MacDonald" wrote in message
news:0YRKc.43754$2i3.11107@clgrps12...
Shawn,

My Pitts S1- C (with D fuselage) came with a National chairpack. What I
didn't know at the time was the previous owner had set a piece of
plywood
across the seat bottom frame to increase his eye height. This is a good
combination, as the visibility is as good as it can be, and when I'm
hanging
upside down I can just feel my dangling hair touch the canopy. I took
the
plywood out to try some circuits one day, and the 1.5" less height
seriously
reduced the visibility (and the quality of my landings). This chairpack
doesn't give me good lumbar support, which I can feel on a cross-country
flight, but it's fine for g's. I can actually feel the diaper through
my
rear end, but because the packed parachute is quite firm on the bottom
portion it doesn't tend to move or squish on higher g's. Without the
plywood, I think a seatpack would be the best for this aircraft and me
(6'160#). I don't think any type of backpack would be comfortable in
this
aircraft, and even worse in a 'C' fuselage.

The parachutes are all tested and TSO'd in different categories. Older
style systems were either low speed (under 150mph) or standard category.
Military surplus are all standard category. Drop testing was done to a
standard that (theoretically) imparted a shock load on the system, which
decided in which category the system fit. 3000 and 5000 lbs seems to
ring
a
bell here. Later TSO requirements of C23c allowed for 3 different
categories, cat B being the most common -- a drop testing of 300 lbs at
175kts, with placarding at 254lbs at 150 kts. TSO C23D allowed for more
categories with different weight/speed restrictions, which was great for
the
extra lighter or heavier user who may need different requirements.
Current
day standards call for a "full-stow" diaper on a round parachute, which
stages the parachute deployment, thus increasing the reliability of the
opening. Without a diaper the parachute is allowed to open before the
lines
become taut -- imagine the shock when the lines finally tighten up on a
parachute partially open already! In the days before the full stow
diaper,
the lines were unstowed from the pack tray, which allowed for the
potential
of arms and legs to get tangled up in the unstowing lines (especially
for
a
pilot making his first jump and not maintaining balance/stability on the
relative airflow). The full stow diaper carries all of the line stows
on
it, so the lines unstow from the top down, and once the parachute is out
of
the container the the lines are well out of the reach of an unstable
pilot.

The opening speeds here are very important, as the drag from the opening
parachute increases in square to the speed increase. My Pitts has a VNE
of
203mph/176kt, which could easily cause damage to a parachute rated at
only
150 kts. Higher speed parachute systems incorporate other staging
devices
to inhibit the opening of the parachute for a very short period of time
while the parachute and user slow down; all to reduce the opening shock
to
an acceptable level. Altitude above sea level plays a part here as
well,
as
parachutes tend to open faster/harder in thinner air (don't ask me why)
and
they land faster too. Landing a parachute may be a consideration here
as
well. While the cockpit may only have enough room for a 24' parachute,
the
200 pound user may find extensive lower leg and back injuries a real
possibility after a successful bailout, and our bones take longer to
heal
as
we get older....

I manufacture, repair, repack and sell all kinds of parachute equipment
for
my business. Good luck on picking the 'right' system for you and your
Pitts.

Al MacDonald
Flying High Manufacturing Inc.




"ShawnD2112" wrote in message
news:AnZDc.1369$Dq1.851@newsfe6-win...
Was hoping to get a bit of expertise here. I'm in the market for an
emergency bailout chute for flying in my Pitts S-1D. The top US
contenders
seem to be National and Softie but with no experience in the field,
and
parachutes not exactly being the kind of object you can try on for
size
in
the shop, I don't really know what to look for and what to avoid. I'd
appreciate any tips anyone out there could provide. Are there any
European
models that anyone has any experience with? Obviously comfort and
space
in
the cockpit are major considerations.

Thanks!
Shawn

"Al MacDonald" wrote in message news:vTgLc.46462$2i3.17796@clgrps12...
Shawn, I forgot something very important!

Do NOT get in the habit of getting out of the plane without your
parachute on, as it could cultivate a very bad habit (and make you look
rather stupid in the obituary).

Freely admitting that I unbuckle my chute and leave it in the plane
(after landing...), are there any actual documented accounts of
someone unbuckling their chute *before* bailing out?