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Hello Dahli
So I'm in Tucson, AZ this morning, doing a walk around and getting ready to
mount up and fly back to homebase after a great little sunrise XC hop (really amazing sky today...huge God's Eye shafts of light through virga...awesome...) and I'm also pausing every couple of minutes to snap some photos of the AZ ANG F16s doing thier thing when a Tucson Police Officer saunters over and asks if I plan on departing within the next 10 minutes or so... Inwardly, I'm girding myself for the discussion that I was sure was to come... As it turns out, the Dahli Llama (yes, THAT Dahli Llama...) was in town and the immaculate G5 (which I got a good photo of...) near the GA terminal was waiting for him and would I mind waiting until his party was loaded up? I was so suprised to find out what all the fuss was about (I thought I noticed a higher number of police cars parked near the base of the tower...and then there were those secret service-looking types who just may have been speaking into their cuffs...), all I could do was just say, "Sure, No Problem." Nice thing is, the same Police Officer and one of the security detail both came over and thanked me for waiting the extra five minutes. Got the ATIS, got my clearance and had a great flight back... Just another day in the wonderful world of aviation... Feeling a bit holier today, Jay Beckman PP-ASEL AZ Cloudbusters Chandler, AZ |
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Go along to get along was the smart thing to do...
Whether it was the right thing to do is open for debate... The Dali Lama is just another bloke who pulls on his BVD's one leg at a time... He is not entitled to special protection under the moving TFR following the President, VP, etc... His airplane is entitled to take the active at a public airport when it's turn comes in the 'first come, first served' sequence as specified in the FAR and AIM... Every time we in GA allow ourselves to be pushed around by the 'authorities' we simply add another brick to the prison they are building around us, and we allow the police officers involved to strengthen their personal belief that their badge gives them the right to "accost and detain" anyone in public areas without either a warrant or belief that person has broken the law... An action that the Constitution and the Amendments specifically forbid... Anyway, I may have have done the same as you, depending upon my level of testosterone at that moment... Or, I may have rhetorically asked them if I were piloting a scheduled airliner with 400 paying passengers would I have to wait on the Dali Lama - and then advised them this is a public airport, I am the public, and I am using it now... The Dali Lama's airplane can take it's turn as federal regulations specify... I might have also pointed out the the Dali Lama represents a religion and by prohibiting my use of public spaces because of his presence the police as an arm of the state are promoting a religion, an act specifically forbidden by both Federal Court and US Supreme Court rulings... And I probably would have gotten in hot water, again. sigh denny |
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On 21 Sep 2005 04:29:27 -0700, "Denny" wrote in
.com:: we allow the police officers involved to strengthen their personal belief that their badge gives them the right to "accost and detain" anyone in public areas without either a warrant or belief that person has broken the law... An action that the Constitution and the Amendments specifically forbid... As reported on this newsgroup: http://tinyurl.com/ak699 |
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a time... He is not entitled to special protection under the moving TFR following the President, VP, etc... I don't believe these public servants deseve special treatment either. |
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Just another day in the wonderful world of aviation...
You were held up at public airport for the *Dahli Llama*? In Arizona, USA? That's even worse than being held up for John Edwards last year in Des Moines! I'm torn between laughter and incredulity. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
Just another day in the wonderful world of aviation... You were held up at public airport for the *Dahli Llama*? In Arizona, USA? That's even worse than being held up for John Edwards last year in Des Moines! I'm torn between laughter and incredulity. Would you feel the same if it were the pope? |
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On 2005-09-21, JohnH wrote:
I'm torn between laughter and incredulity. Would you feel the same if it were the pope? Actually, yes I would. The Pope can wait in line like everyone else. I think it's ludicrous the amount of space leaders are given. The President of the USA for example is nowhere near important enough to require a 30nm radius TFR following him (he does have a backup after all). I thought it was quite ironic when I made my 100th year of powered flight celebratory flight that I was free to make that flight, but people within 30nm of where the actual original flight took place were not! -- Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net "Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee" |
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"Dylan Smith" wrote in message ... On 2005-09-21, JohnH wrote: I'm torn between laughter and incredulity. Would you feel the same if it were the pope? Actually, yes I would. The Pope can wait in line like everyone else. I think it's ludicrous the amount of space leaders are given. The President of the USA for example is nowhere near important enough to require a 30nm radius TFR following him (he does have a backup after all). I thought it was quite ironic when I made my 100th year of powered flight celebratory flight that I was free to make that flight, but people within 30nm of where the actual original flight took place were not! -- While I think the 30NM is a little much do you understand the damage to the US and world economy if the President were to be killed. The stock market drop alone would reduce world wealth by a significant amount. The bad will if the Pope or Dahli Lama were killed on US soil would be huge. |
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I'm torn between laughter and incredulity.
Would you feel the same if it were the pope? Yes -- although the Pope has some credibility behind his quasi-diplomatic status. I don't know what's worse -- having second-rate politicians thinking that they're better than the rest of us, or having "men of the cloth" thinking the same thing. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" "JohnH" wrote in message ... Jay Honeck wrote: Just another day in the wonderful world of aviation... You were held up at public airport for the *Dahli Llama*? In Arizona, USA? That's even worse than being held up for John Edwards last year in Des Moines! |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
I'm torn between laughter and incredulity. Would you feel the same if it were the pope? Yes -- although the Pope has some credibility behind his quasi-diplomatic status. I don't know what's worse -- having second-rate politicians thinking that they're better than the rest of us, or having "men of the cloth" thinking the same thing. Agreed. WRT politicians, whatever became of the concept of "all men created equal"? |
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