EU as joke (modified)

The more or less final (some would say "cooked") figures are in, and
Europe's performance is not entirely as shabby as I earlier posted.

Japan says it will provide $5 billion, including $3.5 billion in loans
(as if Iraq needed any more of those, after what Germany, France, and
Russia extended to Saddam Hussein so that he could advance his
mischief).

Saudi Arabia says $1 billion, most or all of it loans.

The European Union has upped its claim to $826 million. Dunno how much
of that is real, but couldn't it at least have matched the Saudis?

Iran (Iran!) pledged $300 million, very generous indeed coming from a
former victim of Saddam, especially when compared to Europe's pledge.

Vietnam pledged $500,000 in rice. Sri Lanka will provide 100 tons of
tea. (I wonder how much of that tea the European will drink as they
drive around in their air-conditioned Land Rovers looking for business
opportunities and American malfeasance?)

Oh, yes, and the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund have
also pledged considered billions of dollars, but we all know who
provides their money, don't we?


all the best -- Dan Ford
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Cub Driver wrote:
The more or less final (some would say "cooked") figures are in, and
Europe's performance is not entirely as shabby as I earlier posted.

Japan says it will provide $5 billion, including $3.5 billion in loans
(as if Iraq needed any more of those, after what Germany, France, and
Russia extended to Saddam Hussein so that he could advance his
mischief).

Saudi Arabia says $1 billion, most or all of it loans.

The European Union has upped its claim to $826 million. Dunno how much
of that is real, but couldn't it at least have matched the Saudis?


Stop whining.

We (germany) already payed your ****in 2nd Gulf War.

We (germany) already payed your ****in 2nd Gulf War.

Really? It was my impression that you paid zilch = nichts = nada =
zip. You have certainly kept your largesse secret from the rest of the
world.

Also, you still owe us for World War I and World War II, after each of
which unpleasantness the American taxpayer rebuilt your heel-clicking
country. I especially liked the aftermath of WWI. The U.S. sent the
money to Germany, which cashed the check and sent it along to Britain
in war reparations.

Much the same thing will happen in Iraq. We will send billions to
Iraq, which will cash the check and send the money along to the
German, French, and Russian companies that supplied Saddam's war
machine.

Europe! The loose federation of free-loaders!

(Don Rumsfeld's useful distinction between Old Europe and New Europe
should be mentioned here. The peripheral states--Poland, Spain, and
Britain notably among them--are not so pompously selfish as the
central axis of France and Germany, with their ancillary organs like
the Dutch marching band.)


all the best -- Dan Ford
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"Cub Driver" a écrit dans le message de news:
...

We (germany) already payed your ****in 2nd Gulf War.

Really? It was my impression that you paid zilch = nichts = nada =
zip. You have certainly kept your largesse secret from the rest of the
world.


Hmmm now tell us which 3 countries payed for the 1991 Gulf War??
1.Germany
2.Japan
3.Saudi Arabia

Germany and Japan's contribution were directly linked to this.

Also, you still owe us for World War I and World War II, after each of
which unpleasantness the American taxpayer rebuilt your heel-clicking
country. I especially liked the aftermath of WWI. The U.S. sent the
money to Germany, which cashed the check and sent it along to Britain
in war reparations.

For WWI I can assure you that France and the UK were repaid. And that we
repaid this money to Germany x10 in 1940.
I don't want to start this argument again, but on a ratio of dead
soldiers/total population the US wasn't the country that needed financial
compensations first.

For WWII, since the US were in charge of the country until 1949, I was under
the impression that they had enough opportunities.
As a matter of fact I'm reading a book on the "Paperclip" operation after
the war. Fascinating. You should look it up("Google it up" for you).

BTW, all US/France bashing appart, thank you for the Marshall Plan...


Much the same thing will happen in Iraq. We will send billions to
Iraq, which will cash the check and send the money along to the
German, French, and Russian companies that supplied Saddam's war
machine.


You honestly believe Germany, France and Russia are gonna make more $ than
the USA in post Saddam Irak?
Come on, you're pulling my leg!
Haven't you heard of Haliburton, KBR, MPCI, Carlyle???


--
_________________________________________
Pierre-Henri BARAS

Co-webmaster de French Fleet Air Arm
http://www.ffaa.net
Encyclopédie de l'Aviation sur le web
http://www.aviation-fr.info

Cub Driver schrieb:

We (germany) already payed your ****in 2nd Gulf War.

Really? It was my impression that you paid zilch = nichts = nada =
zip. You have certainly kept your largesse secret from the rest of the
world.

For those who noticed the Gulf regions existence only since 1990 -
there were three wars denoted "Gulf War" until today - the Iraq/Iran
conflict (GWI), Desert Storm (GWII) and the one called "Iraqi Freedom"
(GWIII).

Germany contributed 18 billion DM cash for GWII plus military gear and
equipment. Thats pretty much above "Zilch".

(2 billion in fall 1990, the rest during the build-up in early 1991).

Europe! The loose federation of free-loaders!

Has someone cracked your account? You sounded very much more civilized
in recent months..

all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

Sure.

Gruss, Roman

Roman J. Rohleder schrieb:

Germany contributed 18 billion DM cash for GWII plus military gear and
equipment. Thats pretty much above "Zilch".

Examples for equipment contribution:

8000h Transall transport flights, 200 train loads for allied troops,
60 Fuchs tanks to the US army, 11 to the UK troops. Patriot batteries
delivered to Israel and Turkey, plus Leopard I tanks to Turkey. 100000
gas masks and suits agains chemical warfare to Israel.

AFAIK one of the Patriot battery stayed in Israel until today.

Two batteries have been delivered there in January this year.

(2 billion in fall 1990, the rest during the build-up in early 1991).

And a example for active military contribution - the Bundesmarine
sweeped the Persian Gulf from mines just after the war and Special
Ships cleaned it from leaking oil..

So.. "Nada" contribution? I wish we had this money today..
Gruss, Roman

the Iraq/Iran
conflict (GWI), Desert Storm (GWII) and the one called "Iraqi Freedom"
(GWIII).

Ah, Roman, but the post said referred to YOUR (i.e. American) Gulf War
2. I would quote it exactly but there's an obscenity in there that
children shouldn't see. (And I judge from the quality of the debate
that a lot of children post here.)

Gulf I = 1991

Gulf II = 2003

Don't worry. Americans don't regard Germans as utterly contemptible in
this matter. That's reserved for the French.

It will be a long time changing, too, I think.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:40:34 +0100, Roman J. Rohleder wrote:

Cub Driver schrieb:

We (germany) already payed your ****in 2nd Gulf War.

Really? It was my impression that you paid zilch = nichts = nada =
zip. You have certainly kept your largesse secret from the rest of the
world.

For those who noticed the Gulf regions existence only since 1990 -
there were three wars denoted "Gulf War" until today - the Iraq/Iran
conflict (GWI), Desert Storm (GWII) and the one called "Iraqi Freedom"
(GWIII).

Germany contributed 18 billion DM cash for GWII plus military gear and
equipment. Thats pretty much above "Zilch".

(2 billion in fall 1990, the rest during the build-up in early 1991).

Europe! The loose federation of free-loaders!

Has someone cracked your account? You sounded very much more civilized
in recent months..

all the best -- Dan Ford
email:

Sure.

Gruss, Roman

He is speaking of OIF, in which Germany has behaved as
an enemy of the US. Of course that is Germany's right, but do
not be surprised when the consequences show up.
Germany will pay for its perfidy.

Al Minyard

On or about Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:00:11 -0600, Alan Minyard
allegedly uttered:

He is speaking of OIF, in which Germany has behaved as
an enemy of the US. Of course that is Germany's right, but do
not be surprised when the consequences show up.
Germany will pay for its perfidy.

Al, Just because a country disagrees with yours does not automatically
make them your enemy. Germany wasn't fighting US troops, nor were they
arming the enemy.

If every country that disagrees occasionally with the US is their
enemy, then you haven't a friend in the world, which kind of makes you
outnumbered :-)

Now can you tone down the rhetoric a little? You're better than that.

---
Peter Kemp

Life is short - Drink Faster

Cub Driver wrote:

We (germany) already payed your ****in 2nd Gulf War.


Really? It was my impression that you paid zilch = nichts = nada =
zip. You have certainly kept your largesse secret from the rest of the
world.

Also, you still owe us for World War I and World War II, after each of
which unpleasantness the American taxpayer rebuilt your heel-clicking
country. I especially liked the aftermath of WWI. The U.S. sent the
money to Germany, which cashed the check and sent it along to Britain
in war reparations.

Much the same thing will happen in Iraq. We will send billions to
Iraq, which will cash the check and send the money along to the
German, French, and Russian companies that supplied Saddam's war
machine.


Yeah right. Read the cover article in this week's newsweek and see where
the money's going. Not to France, Germany or Russia.


Europe! The loose federation of free-loaders!

(Don Rumsfeld's useful distinction between Old Europe and New Europe
should be mentioned here. The peripheral states--Poland, Spain, and
Britain notably among them--are not so pompously selfish as the
central axis of France and Germany, with their ancillary organs like
the Dutch marching band.)


I understand your admiration for the Dutch `Marinierskapel' or the
`Luchtmachtorkest'. It's part of a tradition going back a few hundred
years and `esprit de corps' (yes, I know, that's French). However, your
comments seem to indicate you have some sort of beef with the
Netherlands (which supported the War in Iraq by the way, against the
will of the majority of it's population, flew more combat missions over
Kosovo than the UK and participated in operations in Afghanistan as part
of `The war against terror'). Why do you keep bringing up 'the Dutch
marching band'? Is it some vague reference to Dutch Peace Keepers in
Srebrenica perhaps? If so, I'd love to read your opinion on that.
Regards,
Ralph Savelsberg