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Mxsmanic , IFR sensations, and some other stuff
On May 18, 9:23*pm, Le Chaud Lapin wrote:
It is pretty cool to see that 90% of this thread is useable info coming from experts sharing their opinions. *This non-combative type of exchange helps newbies like myself learn. Unfortunately, I'd suspect it's about to change..... Mx stepped in. I am not replying to his post so I dont' contribute to any additional noise and he doesn't understand the real world environment of flying an airplane.. Hopefully others will respect Dudley's request..... Also, I read somewhere that JFK Junior's plane crashed probably because he did not trust his intstruments. *What's the likelihood of that? Hopefully for an instrument pilot, NEVER, but when you have an instrument go out, it does up the anti in IDENTIFYING the problem and then tossing that instrument out of your scan. In my case, the change was pretty dramatic as it happened after departing and in my climb in my departure as I was entering IMC. Everything was absolutely normal on my first 1000 feet of climb and nothing had changed on what I felt in the seat of my pants when I saw the AI start showing a pitch up just about 100 feet inside IMC. Had I really pitched up that much, I would have felt it. The lack of feeling it immediately made me look at my VSI and it was rock solid 700 fpm climb, no change from below the cloud deck. Next instrument I looked at was my airspeed and that was 90 knots, so secondary instruments confirmed a normal climb and further confirmed my lack of feeling in my butt indicated the AI was ghosting up on me. I believe it's not normal to get such a dramatic change like I did, but then again, as I am still finding out, it may not be the vacuum pump, but the vacuum pump regulator that went out on me in my plane. Will find out tomorrow morning when I talk with the A&P. |
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Mxsmanic , IFR sensations, and some other stuff
Le Chaud Lapin writes:
Also, I read somewhere that JFK Junior's plane crashed probably because he did not trust his intstruments. What's the likelihood of that? Extremely high, for pilots unfamiliar with IFR flight. |
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Mxsmanic , IFR sensations, and some other stuff
Le Chaud Lapin wrote:
On May 18, 4:58 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote: Like I said gang, it's everybody's personal decision to make. I'm simply stating here what I'm going to do myself. I'll not be ragging on those who don't think the way I do on these issues. I am hopeful however, that Mxsmanic and those who have been his adversaries will simply read what I've said here and say nothing to each other about it but rather simply and silently take a few steps backward and consider re-engaging with each other, each giving a little without saying or admitting they are giving a little. Who knows; I'll be giving it a shot anyway. It is pretty cool to see that 90% of this thread is useable info coming from experts sharing their opinions. This non-combative type of exchange helps newbies like myself learn. I am particularly interested to see what final word is on the trust- your-instruments argument. Also, I read somewhere that JFK Junior's plane crashed probably because he did not trust his intstruments. What's the likelihood of that? -Le Chaud Lapin- I wasn't there of course, but I do know how dangerous the Martha's vineyard area horizon can be in deepening haze. Flying out over the ocean at dusk or at night has similar hazards for the unwary VFR pilot. Sometimes the haze line is at an angle to the actual horizon which may be hidden. This combination can put a pilot flying VFR in a whole lot of trouble. I've always believed that Kennedy fell victim to a false horizon by somehow starting a turn on a false visual reference then allowing his nose to get away from him in the haze due to his inexperience causing him not to realize he needed to transition immediately to instruments. In this condition and with the nose lowering and the airspeed rising, Kennedy desperately needed to realize he needed to level the wings and kill the bank as the lead in to recovering the nose in pitch. This is the classic graveyard spiral. Not solving for bank and trying to solve for pitch simply deepened the issue. I'm fairly convinced that by this time the nose was so low and the spiral tightening so fast he became fixated on the grayness in front of him that he thought was gray sky but was in fact gray water. The rest is history. Just my read on one potential cause for that accident. -- Dudley Henriques |
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Mxsmanic , IFR sensations, and some other stuff
On May 18, 9:55*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
If you have a backup AI, you should periodically look at it to see if it agrees with your primary AI. * I live in the real world. I do not have a back up AI. You should also correlate instruments to each other. *If your AI says you're in a 45-degree bank, you should see a change in heading on the DG, Did you forget what system failed? What DG???????????? Conversely, if the seat of your pants tells you that you are climbing, but the altimeter is not changing and the VSI is zeroed, you are not climbing, no matter what your rear end says. * AGAIN READ MY POST! My VSI showed 700 fpm Your instrument scan might tell you that you are turning instead. *Or your airspeed indicator might tell you that you are changing speed. *In any case, your instruments are right, and the seat of your pants is wrong. READ MY POST. THE ABOVE DOES NOT APPLY. The instruments? *How many were failing? *How many did you check? *The AI was failing ... what else was failing? * Vacuum system failed, you tell me. No. *In IFR flight, use the instruments only, and ignore what you feel. Vacuum system failed. I'd be dead if I listened to you and ignored something I should have felt based on the AI pitched up. My seat of the pants feeling (or lack of feeling in this case) had me diagnose the problem in shorter time then me typing this paragraph. And yes, after figuring out the primary instruments were ghosted up, I went to my secondary instruments as they confirmed what I felt before entering IMC.. IN OTHER WORDS NOTHING CHANGED IN ENGINE SOUND, OR FEELING EXCEPT for the AI showing a abnormally high pitch up. The lack of feeling becomes VERY IMPORTANT as it was dramatic. Not sure if you are familiar with Martial arts, but to win a battle, you use the opponents weakness for your strength, and I apply this to my IFR flying. *Our weakness is inner ear balance, and I do disregard any "head feelings" I get, but I do use my rear end to assist me on what I feel, and SHOULD be feeling based on POWER INPUTS. That's a mistake. It apparently wasn't a mistake if I am here to post and share my experiences. Nor apparently do you know anything about Martial arts. |
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A Lieberman writes:
Did you forget what system failed? What DG???????????? Does the altimeter require vacuum? AGAIN READ MY POST! My VSI showed 700 fpm What did the altimeter say? What did the magnetic compass say? It apparently wasn't a mistake if I am here to post and share my experiences. You were lucky. Nor apparently do you know anything about Martial arts. This is an aviation group. I care nothing about martial arts, although I know that they can provide a false sense of security as well. |
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A Lieberman wrote:
It apparently wasn't a mistake if I am here to post and share my experiences. Nor apparently do you know anything about Martial arts. I know a little :-) Studied Kodokan Judo at the Kodokan. Rose to Nidan. Favorite throw was Uchimata both sides. Lousy on the mat. I was fast as hell in standing Randori an managed not to end up down there very often. Sensi was Takihito Ishikawa. Enjoyed it a great deal. Wish I could still play, but a spinal injury has slowed me down a bit. -- Dudley Henriques |
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Mxsmanic , IFR sensations, and some other stuff
On May 18, 10:13*pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
I know a little :-) Studied Kodokan Judo at the Kodokan. Rose to Nidan. Favorite throw was Uchimata both sides. Lousy on the mat. I was fast as hell in standing Randori an managed not to end up down there very often. Sensi was Takihito Ishikawa. Dabbled in Tai Chai Chuan and Kung Fu. Just enough to get me out of street trouble growing up in inner city is all I wanted :-) What impressed me about those skills is not the physical part but the mental part and carrying them over to our everyday living part of this being acutely what you sense or feel.. So, I try to carry the mental skills to my flying and be acutely aware of my senses which based on yours and Roberts responses may be my downfall :-) |
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Mxsmanic , IFR sensations, and some other stuff
On May 18, 10:12*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Does the altimeter require vacuum? You tell me. What did the altimeter say? *What did the magnetic compass say? My proper altitude. Didn't use my magnetic compass. I used my Garmin 430 GPS tracking and reported to ATC that would be my primary instrument to be used for my headings. They acknowledge no problems with my usage of the GPS. It apparently wasn't a mistake if I am here to post and share my experiences. You were lucky. Nope on the contrary, it wasn't luck. I attribute it to my quality training and again will repeat again to you, I took my instrument failure training to heart and all the training got me through this NON EVENT. Nor apparently do you know anything about Martial arts. This is an aviation group. *I care nothing about martial arts, although I know that they can provide a false sense of security as well. Then you do not know anything about martial arts or me. |
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