Do I have to file?

To fly IFR in controlled airspace you must have a clearance.

To have a clearance you have to file for it.

You can file by phone, computer or radio, but you must file it.

Radio can be to the FSS... or to an ATC controller. Depending on the
local ATC environment and workload, the local tower MAY accept and enter
a requested flight plan into the system, or they MAY NOT.

My question is.. to conduct this flight, you need to essentially have a
weather and tfr briefing to familiarize yourself will all information
pertinent to the flight. That is able to be accomplished with DUATS or
with a phone call to the FSS.

Once you are done with a brief, they can file your briefed route as a
plan. If you are a US certed pilot, you most likely can use DUATS. It
seems the most reasonable thing to do is to prepare ahead of time, file
the plan, then get clearance when you are ready to depart, rather than
impose on the local controllers to do your work for you.

Dave

smf wrote:
If I want to go from Hollywood N. Perry (HWO) to Tamiami (TMB) Do I have to
file a IFR flt plan if I want to go IFR. Is it possible to pick up a (local)
ifr?


thanks


Steve

Dave S wrote:
To fly IFR in controlled airspace you must have a clearance.

You also must have a flight plan. It is more than a prerequisite
for the clearance, it is an explicit requirement of the same regulation
that requires the clearance.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
...

You also must have a flight plan. It is more than a prerequisite
for the clearance, it is an explicit requirement of the same regulation
that requires the clearance.


Unless otherwise authorized by ATC.

"Dave S" wrote in message
link.net...
To fly IFR in controlled airspace you must have a clearance.

To have a clearance you have to file for it.

You can file by phone, computer or radio, but you must file it.

Where does a "pop-up" clearance fit into this?

steve

smf wrote:
"Dave S" wrote in message
link.net...
To fly IFR in controlled airspace you must have a clearance.

To have a clearance you have to file for it.

You can file by phone, computer or radio, but you must file it.

Where does a "pop-up" clearance fit into this?

You file an abbreviated plan with ATC...the first part of
the rule for IFR plans says "Unless authorized by ATC..."

"smf" wrote in message
.. .

Where does a "pop-up" clearance fit into this?


Immediately following "information required" in FAR 91.169(a).

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
...
You also must have a flight plan. It is more than a prerequisite
for the clearance, it is an explicit requirement of the same regulation
that requires the clearance.


Unless otherwise authorized by ATC.


Sorry Steven, incorrect. There is no qualification on the requirement
for the flight plan. What ATC can do is authorize deviations on the
content of an IFR plan. It is in the "Information required" section
that starts with "unless otherwise authroized by ATC." This is what
permits the filing of the "abbreviated" (most places) or TEC
(californicate) plans.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
...
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
...
You also must have a flight plan. It is more than a prerequisite
for the clearance, it is an explicit requirement of the same regulation
that requires the clearance.


Unless otherwise authorized by ATC.


Sorry Steven, incorrect. There is no qualification on the requirement
for the flight plan. What ATC can do is authorize deviations on the
content of an IFR plan. It is in the "Information required" section that
starts with "unless otherwise authroized by ATC." This is what
permits the filing of the "abbreviated" (most places) or TEC
(californicate) plans.


So the regulation does not permit a popup?

smf wrote:
"Dave S" wrote in message
link.net...

To fly IFR in controlled airspace you must have a clearance.

To have a clearance you have to file for it.

You can file by phone, computer or radio, but you must file it.


Where does a "pop-up" clearance fit into this?

steve



By radio.

If you get a popup clearance from ATC.. the controller/specialist is
entering your information into the computer, and requires much if not
all the same information as if you filed on the phone.

Call sign, type/identifier, /whatever .. souls on board, etc. Point of
origin tends to be where you are at, even if airborne.

You are filing a flight plan by radio.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
...
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
...
You also must have a flight plan. It is more than a prerequisite
for the clearance, it is an explicit requirement of the same regulation
that requires the clearance.

Unless otherwise authorized by ATC.

Sorry Steven, incorrect. There is no qualification on the requirement
for the flight plan. What ATC can do is authorize deviations on the
content of an IFR plan. It is in the "Information required" section that
starts with "unless otherwise authroized by ATC." This is what
permits the filing of the "abbreviated" (most places) or TEC
(californicate) plans.


So the regulation does not permit a popup?


You know the answer and you're being obstinate.

The regulations require a flight plan. It is an ABSOLUTE
UNQUALFIED requirement just as the clearance is.

The discretion given ATC is to accept other than full ifr
plans from pilots in the case of popups or californicate TEC
routes.