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Let's Get Real Here.
Cessna Launches Light Sport Aircraft Program Wichita, Kan., July 10, 2007 - Cessna Aircraft Company, a Textron Inc. (NYSE:TXT) company, today announced it will proceed with its Light Sport Aircraft (LSA) program and will unveil a full scale mock-up and program details at the Experimental Aircraft Association's Air Venture in Oshkosh, Wis., later this month. "After conducting extensive market research, it is clear to us there is a great need for this aircraft as we strive to drive down the cost of flying and learning to fly," said Cessna Chairman, President and CEO Jack J. Pelton. "We believe this aircraft will make a major contribution to stimulating new pilot starts and will encourage already-licensed pilots to continue to fly because it will be more affordable. "We have developed a business case that makes sense; we have incorporated several innovative features into the design; and we believe we can deliver the finest aircraft in the category, combined with our extensive customer service, flight training and distribution networks, at an attractive price," Pelton said. Details of the program will be announced during the EAA show at a press conference that will be held at the Air Venture Museum, Eagle Hangar, on Sunday, July 22, at 8:30 a.m. The company is also planning to conduct a ribbon cutting ceremony at its aircraft exhibit at the show (Exhibit No. 143-156) on Monday, July 23, at 8:30 a.m., and will also hold a forum on the Cessna LSA program the same day, from 1:00 to 2:15 p.m., at the Honda Forum, Pavilion 7. EAA President Tom Poberezny, along with Pelton, will participate in all three events. Based on unit sales, Cessna Aircraft Company is the world's largest manufacturer of general aviation airplanes. In 2006, Cessna delivered 1,239 aircraft, including 307 Citation business jets, and reported revenues of about $4.2 billion and a backlog of $8.5 billion. Since the company was originally established in 1927, more than 189,000 Cessna airplanes have been delivered to nearly every country in the world. The global fleet of almost 5,000 Citations is the largest fleet of business jets in the world. More information about Cessna Aircraft Company is available at www.cessna.com." My questions: 1. How much cheaper is this thing going to be to produce than a Skyhawk? Look at it from two standpoints: labor and materials, and from revenue per square foot of plant floor space. 2. Where are they going to make this thing? 3. The average person who can afford an airplane in America now weighs upwards of 250 lbs and some top 300. Can two 300 pounders fly this thing? I know CFIs who tell me they are starting Denny the Dentist in Skylanes now because they are too fat to be comfortable in the Skyhawk. That's just a few. Others later. |
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"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message ups.com... 1. How much cheaper is this thing going to be to produce than a Skyhawk? ... 2. Where are they going to make this thing? I think that we can safely leave #1 and #2 to Cessna management. 3. The average person who can afford an airplane in America now weighs upwards of 250 lbs and some top 300. To me, this is the real issue. The problem is not just with Cessna. other 2-seat LSAs also can't hold two real-world pilots. Since the max 1320 pound gross weight maximum of the average LSA is set more by the rule book than by engineering and physics, one must suspect that these aircraft are being marketed with a wink. They are actually perfectly capable of carrying more payload than they are certified for. Can two 300 pounders fly this thing? No, of course not. Vaughn Dentist in Skylanes now because they are too fat to be comfortable in the Skyhawk. That's just a few. Others later. |
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"Bret Ludwig" wrote 3. The average person who can afford an airplane in America now weighs upwards of 250 lbs and some top 300. Can two 300 pounders fly this thing? I know CFIs who tell me they are starting Denny the Dentist in Skylanes now because they are too fat to be comfortable in the Skyhawk. If they weigh that much, they need to go on an immediate diet, forget sport planes, or take up mud bog racing instead of flying. Get real. The person that weighs 250 pounds, is obese, unless they are very tall. They need to worry about losing weight before they die, instead of flying airplanes that are too small for them. -- Jim in NC |
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On Aug 25, 6:43 pm, Bret Ludwig wrote:
Can two 300 pounders fly this thing? A lot of them not for too long. Considering that obesity and heart attacks. |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 00:52:33 GMT, "Vaughn Simon"
wrote: "Bret Ludwig" wrote in message oups.com... 1. How much cheaper is this thing going to be to produce than a Skyhawk? ... 2. Where are they going to make this thing? I think that we can safely leave #1 and #2 to Cessna management. 3. The average person who can afford an airplane in America now weighs upwards of 250 lbs and some top 300. To me, this is the real issue. The problem is not just with Cessna. other 2-seat LSAs also can't hold two real-world pilots. Since the max 1320 pound gross weight maximum of the average LSA is set more by the rule book than by engineering and physics, one must suspect that these aircraft are being marketed with a wink. They are actually perfectly capable of carrying more payload than they are certified for. Can two 300 pounders fly this thing? Lordy, two 300 pounders in the front seats of a Cherokee would be too much. What 4 passenger production GA plane could take two 300 pounder in the front seats and not be out of CG? |
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Roger (K8RI) wrote:
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 00:52:33 GMT, "Vaughn Simon" wrote: "Bret Ludwig" wrote in message roups.com... 1. How much cheaper is this thing going to be to produce than a Skyhawk? ... 2. Where are they going to make this thing? I think that we can safely leave #1 and #2 to Cessna management. 3. The average person who can afford an airplane in America now weighs upwards of 250 lbs and some top 300. To me, this is the real issue. The problem is not just with Cessna. other 2-seat LSAs also can't hold two real-world pilots. Since the max 1320 pound gross weight maximum of the average LSA is set more by the rule book than by engineering and physics, one must suspect that these aircraft are being marketed with a wink. They are actually perfectly capable of carrying more payload than they are certified for. Can two 300 pounders fly this thing? Lordy, two 300 pounders in the front seats of a Cherokee would be too much. What 4 passenger production GA plane could take two 300 pounder in the front seats and not be out of CG? I'm guessing MAYBE a Navion. But I'd want to check the POH carefully before trying it! |
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On Aug 25, 11:36 pm, wrote:
On Aug 25, 6:43 pm, Bret Ludwig wrote: Can two 300 pounders fly this thing? A lot of them not for too long. Considering that obesity and heart attacks. Many fat people-really fat-live surprisingly long lives. Marlon Brando was morbidly obese for 35 of his 80 years at least-the last ones-and Al Goldstein is not dead yet. Yes, it shortens lifespan, but moderately fat people can live sometimes what would be pretty much the normal lifespan. And since when they go, they generally drop over clean and die rather than lingering like Ronald reagan, which costs millions of dollars in health care sometimes. That's why prison systems feed cons all they want and give them their own cell if they are over a certain weight. What better way to keep them immobile and reduce overall costs? |
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On Aug 25, 10:16 pm, "Morgans" wrote:
"Bret Ludwig" wrote 3. The average person who can afford an airplane in America now weighs upwards of 250 lbs and some top 300. Can two 300 pounders fly this thing? I know CFIs who tell me they are starting Denny the Dentist in Skylanes now because they are too fat to be comfortable in the Skyhawk. If they weigh that much, they need to go on an immediate diet, forget sport planes, or take up mud bog racing instead of flying. Get real. The person that weighs 250 pounds, is obese, unless they are very tall. They need to worry about losing weight before they die, instead of flying airplanes that are too small for them. -- Some people this heavy are not obese as muscular and huge, such as football players. With exceptions such as "Refrigerator" Perry, football players are not fat. Yet they weigh a lot. There are 6'4" 300 lb body builders who are considered "Greek Adonis" and not "fat". Airplanes should be designed to comfortably accomodate NFL offensive linesmen. |
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Can two 300 pounders fly this thing? Lordy, two 300 pounders in the front seats of a Cherokee would be too much. What 4 passenger production GA plane could take two 300 pounder in the front seats and not be out of CG? I'm guessing MAYBE a Navion. But I'd want to check the POH carefully before trying it! T-6,or any mil trainer besides maybe a old Ryan. Even a T-34 will accomodate as heavy a pilot as will fit. |
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("john smith" wrote)
Look at Jay Honeck. The poor guy had to resort to eating fruit to afford to pay for all that flying he was doing and upkeep on Atlas. Have you seen the Allison brothers? They're skinny as rails. Poor Steve is so thin from spending money to build his RV, and Jack bought into that Arrow. Then there is Ron Natalie. Three years ago, Ron was pretty big. They they started on the Navion restoration project. Have you seen the poor guy? If he turned sideways, all you would see is his hat. ....and then there's Montblack Paul-Mont (It was preemptive. g) |
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