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"cavelamb himself" wrote in message link.net... Gulp... You goys gotta see this! http://www.crazyaviation.com/movies/CA_SU-30.wmv That has to be one wild freakin' ride! As impressive as it is, what good do those types of moves do a warbird? Nothing, I think. Face it, this is a "shoot and kill before you see me" kind of environment, now. Fighters don't play Snoopy and the Red Baron anymore. -- Jim in NC |
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As impressive as it is, what good do those types of moves do a warbird?
Nothing, I think. I am not so sure. This looks like it might be a "vectored thrust" demonstration and I have read of a lot more effort being expended on that--but I lack the imagination to think of all the reasons that it could have value. About all I can suggest is that, if it does not reduce the maximum speed of the aircraft but does reduce the minimum speed, that would increase the utility of almost any aircraft... However, it did appear to expend a lot of power to accomplish what it did--and was probably VERY lightly loaded. Peter |
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As impressive as it is, what good do those types of moves do a warbird?
Nothing, I think. Face it, this is a "shoot and kill before you see me" kind of environment, now. Fighters don't play Snoopy and the Red Baron anymore. The Air Force F-22 Raptor combines similar maneuvering capability with stealth technology, making it a vastly superior weapons platform. The radar cross-section of the Sukoi is the size of a battleship, by comparison. It wouldn't last long in head-to-head combat. Anyone who saw the F-22 demonstration at OSH '06 will never forget it. It's quite simply an amazing aircraft. To view a flight demonstration, see this: http://alexisparkinn.com/photogaller...t-Langley.mpeg and this: http://alexisparkinn.com/photogaller...ompilation.wmv To view all of our military videos, go he http://alexisparkinn.com/military_videos.htm -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Morgans wrote:
As impressive as it is, what good do those types of moves do a warbird? Nothing, I think. Face it, this is a "shoot and kill before you see me" kind of environment, now. Fighters don't play Snoopy and the Red Baron anymore. That is almost exactly what was said when when the F4 was designed without guns. It didn't work out that way. |
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message ... Morgans wrote: As impressive as it is, what good do those types of moves do a warbird? Nothing, I think. Face it, this is a "shoot and kill before you see me" kind of environment, now. Fighters don't play Snoopy and the Red Baron anymore. That is almost exactly what was said when when the F4 was designed without guns. It didn't work out that way. Yeah, but in all fairness, wasn't that about 45 years ago? |
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Maxwell wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message ... Morgans wrote: As impressive as it is, what good do those types of moves do a warbird? Nothing, I think. Face it, this is a "shoot and kill before you see me" kind of environment, now. Fighters don't play Snoopy and the Red Baron anymore. That is almost exactly what was said when when the F4 was designed without guns. It didn't work out that way. Yeah, but in all fairness, wasn't that about 45 years ago? Sure it was. But sh!t happens, especially in combat. And while shooting the other guy down 100 miles away before he even knows you are there works real well for defending a CVN during all out shooting war. It doesn't take a lot of imagination to come up with a scenario where pilots aren't allowed to use those long range weapons and are forced into a good old fashioned dog fight. |
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message ... Maxwell wrote: "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message ... Morgans wrote: As impressive as it is, what good do those types of moves do a warbird? Nothing, I think. Face it, this is a "shoot and kill before you see me" kind of environment, now. Fighters don't play Snoopy and the Red Baron anymore. That is almost exactly what was said when when the F4 was designed without guns. It didn't work out that way. Yeah, but in all fairness, wasn't that about 45 years ago? Sure it was. But sh!t happens, especially in combat. And while shooting the other guy down 100 miles away before he even knows you are there works real well for defending a CVN during all out shooting war. It doesn't take a lot of imagination to come up with a scenario where pilots aren't allowed to use those long range weapons and are forced into a good old fashioned dog fight. Well, call me a hold out, but I would still have to lean a little more towards Jim's way of thinking. With the situational awarness capibilities of something like a Raptor, and his ability to supercruise, it sure seems more and more likely they would be hard to sneak up on. |
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Maxwell wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message ... Maxwell wrote: "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message ... Morgans wrote: As impressive as it is, what good do those types of moves do a warbird? Nothing, I think. Face it, this is a "shoot and kill before you see me" kind of environment, now. Fighters don't play Snoopy and the Red Baron anymore. That is almost exactly what was said when when the F4 was designed without guns. It didn't work out that way. Yeah, but in all fairness, wasn't that about 45 years ago? Sure it was. But sh!t happens, especially in combat. And while shooting the other guy down 100 miles away before he even knows you are there works real well for defending a CVN during all out shooting war. It doesn't take a lot of imagination to come up with a scenario where pilots aren't allowed to use those long range weapons and are forced into a good old fashioned dog fight. Well, call me a hold out, but I would still have to lean a little more towards Jim's way of thinking. With the situational awarness capibilities of something like a Raptor, and his ability to supercruise, it sure seems more and more likely they would be hard to sneak up on. I'm not talking about getting sneaked up on. I'm talking about ROE that have not a thing to do with the capibility of the aircraft. |
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote I'm not talking about getting sneaked up on. I'm talking about ROE that have not a thing to do with the capibility of the aircraft. Even close in, they have short range missles to do the job. I'm not advocating not having guns. I just don't think they have much relevance, in all but the most unusual conditions. I sure could not justify taking away from an aircraft's ability to stand off and fight, to have that kind of radical maneuverability. Just out of curiosity, when was the last time that the US took down an enemy plane with gunfire alone? -- Jim in NC |
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