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First snowfall in 6 years???
It must have been a dream, the 3-4 inches (some places in Island County got 6) of the white stuff that closed the base (except for non-essentials) for 2 days in December 2001. Not nitpicking Yofuri,,,but maybe you were deployed? The Gold Plated Canopy required? for what? So the crew would feel protected??? LOL, it sure never was "required" when it had delaminated and there were no replacements back in 1999-2001!!! And the only way you could get a replacement is if the delamination affected the pilots vision, "safety of flight". (and/or if a Geekmos helmet had banged away a Iarge percentage) I heard Jacksonville remedied this awful situation and got more funding to start RFI'ng canopies about the end of 2001. Then the first batches they put out were defective, but it finally was fixed. Yofuri, these comments may seem negative, sure hope you don't take them that way, my perspective thats all, Happy New Year!!! On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:19:19 -0800, "Yofuri" wrote: Shucks, I had forgotten we had snow here at Whidbey. Today is the first snowfall in six years, and it's melting tonight. No big EMI problem. The isolated power systems for the main bangers largely keep it away from the aircraft's internal circuitry. The RATS eat the EMI, in other words. I'm sure the gold-plated canopy will still be required, though. Rick |
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The ranges in the cascades and olympics maybe??? Also, the
ALQ-99 support??? CVWP maybe??? You mentioned a "whole lot of other reasons", which there are many. I think the biggest competition on the west coast would be Lemoore of course, but I've heard about the noise complaints and lack of hangar space there. Yes, there are noise issues in Whidbey, I had to sign sort of a waiver when I bought my house there 10 years ago that I knew I was in a certain noise area.. But I know from experience here at the Lake and up at Whidbey, that the 400's are quieter than those 408 A/B's. It all depends which politico's go for it the most I suppose. I only hope from a logistics standpoint that they decide to base it on both coasts. As a prior Prowler MMCO, it is very painful and expensive to move 5 jets and 155 personnel plus all the support items necessary cross country every deck cert, TESTA 1/2, TESTA 3/4, COMPTUEX and JTFEX, just like the Tomcat guys have to do going east to west. And very expensive. On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:45:34 -0500, Allen Epps wrote: In article , Andrew Toppan wrote: On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:31:01 -0800, "Yofuri" wrote: Old news; already built and flying. Looking for a job? EF-18G built and flying? According to who? The Navy apparently doesn't think so, or they wouldn't have awarded a large contract to develop the aircraft. F/A-18E/F is "built and flying". EF-18G has been under discussion and preliminary development for some time, so the contract is no surprise. -- Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself" "Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today, Photo Features, Military FAQs, and more - http://www.hazegray.org/ The F airframe has been fitted and flown with the the ALQ-99 pods which will used as exiting as GFE or Government Furnished Equipment for the project. The ESM pods on the wingtips have been flown and have gone through extensive integration work. The simulator and avionics integration work has been going on for at least 7 years as I flew the sim in St Louis back in the 96 timeframe. It's evolved nicely and I flew the more recent verion on a roadshow at Andrews last year. All in all Boeing/Mcair as put a lot of their own money into this project over the last little bit knowing the Navy would figure out the Prowler was going to die much quicker than the projected. I would regard the technology as low risk, the question will be more who gives up a slot for E/F production if the Navy decides they want the airframes sooner than 09. The next issue is why keep them at Whidbey (except for airspace and whole lot of other reasons not the least of which is Elk hunting and steelhead fishing) ;^ Pugs |
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many- EF-18G built and flying? According to who? BRBR
But what about tankers? What do current airwings, populated by a bunch of 'Bugs' use? Refueling packages on the wings of other Bugs?? Is the S-3 gone as a tanker? Is there any plan to convert some of these to permanent KS-3s(A good idea, IMO)? P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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OBTW, glad you are perpetuating the myth of Whidbey, I'll continue it,,,THE
WEATHER THERE IS NASTY AND IT RAINS 300 DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR!!! So stay away, do your best to NOT get stationed there!! And then there's Rock Fever - a fatal disease. g -- Mike Kanze " . . . Greed powers the capitalist impulse as gasoline powers the combustion engine, and, like gasoline, has noxious properties that must be monitored." - Julia Homer, Editor-in-Chief - CFO Magazine, December 2003 [rest snipped] |
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Back in the early 1970s when the Prowler was hitting the fleet, the question
in FITRON Ready Rooms was, "How much gas can it give?" Plus ça change! -- Mike Kanze " . . . Greed powers the capitalist impulse as gasoline powers the combustion engine, and, like gasoline, has noxious properties that must be monitored." - Julia Homer, Editor-in-Chief - CFO Magazine, December 2003 "Pechs1" wrote in message ... many- EF-18G built and flying? According to who? BRBR But what about tankers? What do current airwings, populated by a bunch of 'Bugs' use? Refueling packages on the wings of other Bugs?? Is the S-3 gone as a tanker? Is there any plan to convert some of these to permanent KS-3s(A good idea, IMO)? P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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In article , fudog50
wrote: The ranges in the cascades and olympics maybe??? Also, the ALQ-99 support??? CVWP maybe??? You mentioned a "whole lot of other reasons", which there are many. I think the biggest competition on the west coast would be Lemoore of course, but I've heard about the noise complaints and lack of hangar space there. Yes, there are noise issues in Whidbey, I had to sign sort of a waiver when I bought my house there 10 years ago that I knew I was in a certain noise area.. But I know from experience here at the Lake and up at Whidbey, that the 400's are quieter than those 408 A/B's. It all depends which politico's go for it the most I suppose. I only hope from a logistics standpoint that they decide to base it on both coasts. As a prior Prowler MMCO, it is very painful and expensive to move 5 jets and 155 personnel plus all the support items necessary cross country every deck cert, TESTA 1/2, TESTA 3/4, COMPTUEX and JTFEX, just like the Tomcat guys have to do going east to west. And very expensive. I think AlQ-99 support is pretty small potatos in the cost issue. None of this will happen quickly so NUW will be around for awhile. I think the issue will come down to training airspace. The Oly, Okanoagan and Roosevelt MOA's and the Darrington Special Use airspace are simply not available elswhere not to mention the IR and VR routes. If they don't get used we will lose then and getting them back won't be an option. The airspace at Fallon, Lemore, W-72, Key Weird and such are pretty saturated let alone buildings, noise and all the other issues. With regard to EMI and your comment about low band pods VAQ-35 did, in fact, have two A/B band pods which went down into the low 200 MHZ range and up to 1090MHZ IIRC. They were FIWC (aka FEWSG aka FTRG) assets and were 0-3G limited and flared landings only. They were built on a low band 99 pod and canoe and externally looked like every other low band pod. Pugs |
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Rick,
ummmm yeah we can say EMI, and nothing will happen to the flight controls when you jam. What, did VAQ-35 have experimental jammers that jammed in the 60-400hz range? I will admitt that 35 had some interesting developmental pods. That might have operated in that range. I will refrain from any further technical discussion since I think we might be in a beadwindow situation or as Pugs might say he doesn't know what he is talking about, either way enuf said. Remember? Jamming in the bandwidths and freqs we jam in has nothing to do with onboard avionics and flight control systems, otherwise every A/C in a current strike package would be affected? Yes we used to fly in packages and set off other planes equipment. Plus, extensive lab and flight testing is done before we field a system,,,,,what exactly are you getting at elmshoot? Do you remember when the USAF had some F-16's fly into the ground while in the close proximity to high power radio antennas. They aren't called lawn darts for nothing. Also, without going into detail, you are forgetting that there is such a thing as directional jamming? Yes, my point still stands OBTW, glad you are perpetuating the myth of Whidbey, I'll continue it,,,THE WEATHER THERE IS NASTY AND IT RAINS 300 DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR!!! So stay away, do your best to NOT get stationed there!! Whidbey has a very mild climate much nicer winters than in the midwest were I live now. On 31 Dec 2003 05:20:23 GMT, (Elmshoot) wrote: The next issue is why keep them at Whidbey (except for airspace and whole lot of other reasons not the least of which is Elk hunting and steelhead fishing) ;^ Ah I remember it well. The VAQ-35 Ops Rod and Gun club. The wind would be howling snow flurries coming down at an 85 degree angle. These knuckel heads would show up at work. Get the 75 minutes of work that they would spend all day doing done in about 60 minutes. And then ask if they could go out and lay in a freshly harvested corn field and wait for a duck to fly over..... At least the squadron picknic later that month was interesting when the bachelors would show up with a meat dish. The Wives Club girls from the big city would be scarfing down huge quanities of duck or some other animal of the wild until they learned the truth. I though one or two was going to puke on the spot. Back to the subject... What happens to the fly by wire jet when the master bad is turned on? Can you say EMI? |
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On 31 Dec 2003 14:49:19 GMT, (Pechs1) wrote:
Is the S-3 gone as a tanker? That's basically all the S-3 does now. Until it is retired without replacement sometime in the next few years. Is there any plan to convert some of these to permanent KS-3s(A good idea, No. -- Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself" "Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today, Photo Features, Military FAQs, and more - http://www.hazegray.org/ |
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Talk about beadwindow! The mild climate is one of the best kept
secrets about Whidbey!!! Shhhhhh!!! On 31 Dec 2003 16:53:51 GMT, (Elmshoot) wrote: Rick, ummmm yeah we can say EMI, and nothing will happen to the flight controls when you jam. What, did VAQ-35 have experimental jammers that jammed in the 60-400hz range? I will admitt that 35 had some interesting developmental pods. That might have operated in that range. I will refrain from any further technical discussion since I think we might be in a beadwindow situation or as Pugs might say he doesn't know what he is talking about, either way enuf said. Remember? Jamming in the bandwidths and freqs we jam in has nothing to do with onboard avionics and flight control systems, otherwise every A/C in a current strike package would be affected? Yes we used to fly in packages and set off other planes equipment. Plus, extensive lab and flight testing is done before we field a system,,,,,what exactly are you getting at elmshoot? Do you remember when the USAF had some F-16's fly into the ground while in the close proximity to high power radio antennas. They aren't called lawn darts for nothing. Also, without going into detail, you are forgetting that there is such a thing as directional jamming? Yes, my point still stands OBTW, glad you are perpetuating the myth of Whidbey, I'll continue it,,,THE WEATHER THERE IS NASTY AND IT RAINS 300 DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR!!! So stay away, do your best to NOT get stationed there!! Whidbey has a very mild climate much nicer winters than in the midwest were I live now. On 31 Dec 2003 05:20:23 GMT, (Elmshoot) wrote: The next issue is why keep them at Whidbey (except for airspace and whole lot of other reasons not the least of which is Elk hunting and steelhead fishing) ;^ Ah I remember it well. The VAQ-35 Ops Rod and Gun club. The wind would be howling snow flurries coming down at an 85 degree angle. These knuckel heads would show up at work. Get the 75 minutes of work that they would spend all day doing done in about 60 minutes. And then ask if they could go out and lay in a freshly harvested corn field and wait for a duck to fly over..... At least the squadron picknic later that month was interesting when the bachelors would show up with a meat dish. The Wives Club girls from the big city would be scarfing down huge quanities of duck or some other animal of the wild until they learned the truth. I though one or two was going to puke on the spot. Back to the subject... What happens to the fly by wire jet when the master bad is turned on? Can you say EMI? |
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