Call signs

buttman wrote:
If you just say "Cessna", you
don't know if its a Citation X, or a 140, just that it's a Cessna.

Citation drivers won't let you make that mistake - they'll make darned
sure you know it's a Citation.

The same is true for everyone driving any Cessna larger than a Skylane.
The only ones calling themselves "Cessna" are flying model numbers
lower than 190.

In a previous article, Newps said:
Paul Tomblin wrote:
Well, they care enough about the speed differences between a Warrior and a
Dakota that they changed them all from PA-28s to P28As and P28Bs
respectively.
They being center guys. 20 knots to a tower controller is trivial.

I'm not disputing you, but I should point out that our club's Dakota is a
good 30-40 knots faster than our Warrior.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
You know the saying, every time you develop an idiot proof system they
develop a better type of idiot... and now you know who "they" are.
-- Matthew Malthouse

"Brien K. Meehan" wrote in message
ups.com...
buttman wrote:
If you just say "Cessna", you
don't know if its a Citation X, or a 140, just that it's a Cessna.

Citation drivers won't let you make that mistake - they'll make darned
sure you know it's a Citation.

The same is true for everyone driving any Cessna larger than a Skylane.
The only ones calling themselves "Cessna" are flying model numbers
lower than 190.


I call Citation 500's and 501's as "Twin Cessna" traffic when they're
clogging up a Flght Level with their slow moving, slow climbing lethargy. A
200 knot, 500 FPM climb-out in the mid twenties? You gotta be kidding...

Chip, ZTL

"Dave S" wrote in message
k.net...
Anytime I am in a Pa 28 derivative, I identify myself, and expect to be
called a "cherokee".

Even when I'm in an Arrow, and the identifier is a P28R, they still call
me cherokee.

Dave


buttman wrote:
When I used to fly Cessna 152's and 172's, I'd always just say "Cessna
12345...". Now that I fly Piper Warriors, I began using "Piper
12345...", but then I realized no one else says just "Piper", they say
"Seneca 12345", or "Twin Comanche 12345...", so I began using the
callsign "Warrior 12345..." to fit in with the rest. This makes more
sense, considering the point of putting your aircraft type before your
tail number is to specify what you are. If you just say "Cessna", you
don't know if its a Citation X, or a 140, just that it's a Cessna. And
you'd think with all the 172s in existance I'd come across a single
instance of a pilot using "Skyhawk" in their call sign, but I've yet to
witness one.

Anyways, so I begin using "Warior" instead of Piper. When I got my
instrument rating and started doing IFR stuff, I noticed no matter what
I use, ATC always addresses me as "Cherokee 12345". Once I even tried
to get an IFR clearance that went something like this:

Me: Clearance, Warroir 4458U on the ground at LUK, IFR to HZY

[45 seconds of silence]...

Me [slower]: Clearance, Warroir 4458U on the grund at LUK, IFR to HZY

Controller: Aircraft calling, say call sign again

Me: 4...4...5...8...U

controller: Cherokee 4458U you are cleared to....

What I think happened here is that he misunderstood "Warrior" as me
saying "four" or something. When I file all I say for type is PA-28,
and to ATC guys a PA-28 is a Cherokee. So from that point on, I now use
Cherokee as my call sign, even though it says "Warrior III" on the
side, and nowhere in the POH or anywhere else does it have the word
"Cherokee". I know its not a big deal, but I was just wondering, what
do all the other Warrior people use?

I fly Archers, arrows and seminoles. Normaly call up as archer so and so,
or arrow so and so... and they call me back wtih the model nuber i gave
them, but any radio traffic after that i become cherokee.... be it that Im
in the archer or the arrow. Got really strange flying the seminole into
SOCAL and was reported to another aircraft as a duchess...... (now i wasn't
going to step that low and make my future radio calls as duchess mind you...
felt it was a good time to simply become NOVEMBER such and such....)

Flying the 172's I always just went as "Cessna" sure its teh same as you
would hear on a 152 or 182, but in a tower environment the speeds aren't all
that drastically different (now cruise is a different story!) and they all
look similar from a distance. Centurion is different, as are the twin
cessna's.... I've NEVER heard a citation call in as a cessna... they always
called in as Citation Suchandsuch.

Most of my xc flights now are IFR so I dont' really sweat it out to much
unless they really butcher my number, or give me something unrealistic
"N12345 climb one five thousand by yucca" I'll call back something like
"CHEROKEE 12345 Unable 1-5-thousand" And when VFR will usually just call up
as what I'm flying, unless another controller started calling me
cherokee.... then i stick to it. Looks like a cherokee... same speed
envelope as a cherokee..... only im an archer... go fig.



"buttman" wrote in message
ups.com...
When I used to fly Cessna 152's and 172's, I'd always just say "Cessna
12345...". Now that I fly Piper Warriors, I began using "Piper
12345...", but then I realized no one else says just "Piper", they say
"Seneca 12345", or "Twin Comanche 12345...", so I began using the
callsign "Warrior 12345..." to fit in with the rest. This makes more
sense, considering the point of putting your aircraft type before your
tail number is to specify what you are. If you just say "Cessna", you
don't know if its a Citation X, or a 140, just that it's a Cessna. And
you'd think with all the 172s in existance I'd come across a single
instance of a pilot using "Skyhawk" in their call sign, but I've yet to
witness one.

Anyways, so I begin using "Warior" instead of Piper. When I got my
instrument rating and started doing IFR stuff, I noticed no matter what
I use, ATC always addresses me as "Cherokee 12345". Once I even tried
to get an IFR clearance that went something like this:

Me: Clearance, Warroir 4458U on the ground at LUK, IFR to HZY

[45 seconds of silence]...

Me [slower]: Clearance, Warroir 4458U on the grund at LUK, IFR to HZY

Controller: Aircraft calling, say call sign again

Me: 4...4...5...8...U

controller: Cherokee 4458U you are cleared to....

What I think happened here is that he misunderstood "Warrior" as me
saying "four" or something. When I file all I say for type is PA-28,
and to ATC guys a PA-28 is a Cherokee. So from that point on, I now use
Cherokee as my call sign, even though it says "Warrior III" on the
side, and nowhere in the POH or anywhere else does it have the word
"Cherokee". I know its not a big deal, but I was just wondering, what
do all the other Warrior people use?

On 2005-06-04, Dave S wrote:
Anytime I am in a Pa 28 derivative, I identify myself, and expect to be
called a "cherokee".

Even when I'm in an Arrow, and the identifier is a P28R, they still call
me cherokee.

Sometimes ATC converts my Comanche to a Cherokee. Usually then I get
handed off to someone who is surprised to see a Cherokee doing 160kts...

To make up for this I'm sometimes upgraded to "Twin Comanche".

Only rarely am I truncated to "Piper" in which case I follow suit.

--
Ben Jackson

http://www.ben.com/

Newps wrote:

Around here we very rarely see cherokees. People just don't find them
useful for mountain flying.
snip

That should read, "People don't know how useful they are for mountain
flying." :-))

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

Jay Honeck wrote:
Around here we very rarely see cherokees. People just don't find them
useful for mountain flying.


What, you guys don't have airports yet out West?

Sure we got airports. Cherokees just ain't any good when there aren't
airports.

buttman wrote:
snip
controller: Cherokee 4458U you are cleared to....

What I think happened here is that he misunderstood "Warrior" as me
saying "four" or something. When I file all I say for type is PA-28,
and to ATC guys a PA-28 is a Cherokee. So from that point on, I now use
Cherokee as my call sign, even though it says "Warrior III" on the
side, and nowhere in the POH or anywhere else does it have the word
"Cherokee". I know its not a big deal, but I was just wondering, what
do all the other Warrior people use?

Most (but not all) tower controllers will change a Warrior, Archer,
Dakota callsign to Cherokee. It's not because of speed. The main
reason is that they often have to call you out as traffic for other
aircraft. Cessna drivers often do not know what a Warrior, Archer or
Dakota might look like. Could be a single or a twin for all they know.
Most everyone knows what a Cherokee looks like. In my early flying
days, I was a Cessna-only pilot. I had no idea what Archer or Warrior
was.

Whenever I'm flying a later model PA28, I always use the Cherokee
call sign.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

Cessna drivers often do not know what a Warrior, Archer or
Dakota might look like. Could be a single or a twin for all they know.

Most everyone knows what a Cherokee looks like. In my early flying
days, I was a Cessna-only pilot. I had no idea what Archer or Warrior
was.

An interesting observation. Having trained exclusively in Piper
products, I know when I was a new pilot I had no idea what a "Skylane"
was, let alone a "Skymaster" or "Skywagon."

Yet, from a distance, they all look pretty much the same.

Maybe ATC should just call us all "high wings" and "low wings"...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"