This is what happens in the REAL world of Air Safety

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
FUBAR7 wrote:
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
FUBAR7 wrote:
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
FUBAR7 wrote:
The world (And FAA Management) will never know

Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles
with some FAA sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.

Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York
regarding the 2nd near pink mist at JFK

WASHINGTON --
After another close call, the Federal Aviation
Administration has
finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy
Airport.

http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html

The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA
has screamed for over 10 years the runway configuration was
****ED UP and a accident waiting to happen at JFK.

Were the involved aircraft following instructions issued by NATCA
controllers?


Yes, under duress by forced work procedures mandated by FAA
draconian management

What forced work procedures caused the duress to the controllers
involved in these incidents?


EXPANSION OF FAA MANAGEMENT POSITIONS IN CUBICLE RAT
POSITIONS BUT REDUCTION IN KEY SAFETY AND FRONT LINE
CONTROLLER AND TECHNICIAN POSITIONS

Poor training
FAA management overruling controller concerns of unsafe
parallel runway configuration and procedures at JFK
Insufficient staffing during peak traffic periods
Ridiculous dress codes
Salary cuts
No union contract
Poor OJT training at many level 5 towers
Supervisors unable to work traffic or stay current
Diversity promotions USING NON-WHITE MALE people who are
unqualified
And many more too numerous to mention.


Why was NATCA unable to stop any of those?




Anti-Labor and Anti-Union mandates sent forth from God on
High(Bush Administration)

Laws of physics allows putrid turd of anti-worker/anti-labor
to roll down all the way until it hits the bottom tier
workers in the face.

FAA management sycophants and managers who have sold their
soul for 30 pieces of silver and are weak and minion
servants to the upper management goons perpetuate the
draconian work atmosphere within the FAA.

The 2007 Government employee survey done by an independent
research company rated the FAA 204 out of 222 overall in
employee morale

In other words the FAA got an F-MINUS
The work atmosphere in the FAA is compared by many to
a sweat shop or saw mill or Chinese tennis shoe factory.

I think that about sums it up

"FUBAR7" wrote in message
...
The world (And FAA Management) will never know

Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles with some FAA
sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.

Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York regarding the
2nd near pink mist at JFK

WASHINGTON --
After another close call, the Federal Aviation Administration has
finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy Airport.

http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html

The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA has screamed for
over 10 years the runway configuration was ****ED UP and a accident
waiting to happen at JFK.

FAA Management a.k.a. "The Tombstone Agency" FINALLY
got around to it after TWO near DISASTERS???????

Like I said, a huge air disaster combined with high fuel prices "could"
put a death spike into the airline industry. The FAILED policies of the
FAA combined with FAA incompetent management has lead us down this road
toward disaster for years.

The old saying one straw will break the camels back??

Wait till a mid-air rains about 500 bodies and parts and goo over some
metropolitan area

All you FAA sycophants will be looking for new employment.

Repeat after me.............

"You want fries with that sir"??

Brings back fond memories of the '81 strike and running into former ATCSs
who wanted the same pay as 747 captains and a 32 hour work week. At least
the 2nd part panned out for them.

"FUBAR7" wrote in message
...
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
FUBAR7 wrote:
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
FUBAR7 wrote:
The world (And FAA Management) will never know

Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles
with some FAA sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.

Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York
regarding the 2nd near pink mist at JFK

WASHINGTON --
After another close call, the Federal Aviation
Administration has
finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy
Airport.

http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html

The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA
has screamed for over 10 years the runway configuration was
****ED UP and a accident waiting to happen at JFK.

Were the involved aircraft following instructions issued by NATCA
controllers?


Yes, under duress by forced work procedures mandated by FAA
draconian management


What forced work procedures caused the duress to the controllers involved
in these incidents?

EXPANSION OF FAA MANAGEMENT POSITIONS IN CUBICLE RAT POSITIONS BUT
REDUCTION IN KEY SAFETY AND FRONT LINE CONTROLLER AND TECHNICIAN POSITIONS

Poor training

An off-the-street controller will typically spend about 4 years in training
for the position in question.

FAA management overruling controller concerns of unsafe parallel runway
configuration and procedures at JFK

Funny how NATCA never issued a press release on it, despite the procedures
being in place for years and NATCA's penchant for issuing press releases on
every other play on irrational fears they can think of.

Insufficient staffing during peak traffic periods

According to NATCA who has been complaining about staffing for the past 26
years running.

Boy/Wolf.

Ridiculous dress codes

Controllers making 6 figures can't wear shorts, flip flops, and T-shirts to
work anymore. Kinda makes you get all teary eyed, doesn't it?

Salary cuts

No controller ever received a salary cut.

No union contract

Because NATCA refused to negotiate in good faith they didn't get a contract
per rules put in place over 10 years ago which NATCA lobbied for and
endorsed. They didn't complain about it much 10 years ago when they were
getting massive pay increases.

Poor OJT training at many level 5 towers

Because many NATCA members refuse to give OJT (which is part of their job
that they get paid well for) since they are no longer getting EXTRA pay for
doing so. Furthermore, all the extra functions NATCA members agreed to do
in order to get massive pay increases in their last contract never
materialized. In other words, when NATCA members are paid more to
supposedly do more, but don't do more, that's OK, but when management
expects them to actually do the job they are paid to do, that's not OK.
Then when they don't do the job they are paid to do, they blame their own
failures on "management".

Supervisors unable to work traffic or stay current

False.

Diversity promotions USING NON-WHITE MALE people who are unqualified

Didn't you just claim ALL promotees are unqualified? Your true bigoted
colors are shining through.

And many more too numerous to mention.

Translation: I lost my list of NATCA talking points, but none of them were
any better than the shorts & flip-flop one anyway.

Notice how the disgruntled NATCA member hopes and prays for an accident
where people get killed so he can score his pathetic points and hopefully go
back to wearing shorts & flip-flops, and getting ridiculous raises for doing
nothing extra, and spending 3 hours on position during an 8 hour shift.

Don't get me wrong, most NATCA members and non-NATCA member controllers are
very good and professional employees that do a very good job and complain
very little because they know they have it good. Then you have those who
are like this guy. Chances are he's nothing more than a perennial
complainer who can't hack it to begin with. He has a bone to pick with FAA
management because they had the audacity to expect him to actually do
something to earn his salary. With any luck, his Type A personality will
cause him to lose his medical and his job (if this hasn't happened already),
or perhaps his boss will finally get enough of his crap and fire him for
performance issues. In the mean time he will continue to blame all his
problems on minorities and FAA management when even the casual observer can
tell he's the root of his own problems.

You can always tell his type when you get them on frequency. He's the type
that will refuse your requests even though he's not that busy, give you a
****ty attitude, and send you around the long way just because he wants to
use a job action to make one of his pointless points. So you put up with
his crap knowing you'll be handed off in a few minutes to a more
professional controller, but don't forget his fellow employees and other
pilots have to put up with his crap for a lot longer.

If you want to do your fellow pilots, the FAA, and Mr. Fubar's fellow
employees a favor, the next time he screws you over on frequency ask for his
initials (he has to give them to you), then ask for the number of the
facility. Be sure to note the approximate time and location. When you call
the facility, ask for the QA manager's number, or if it's a smaller facility
ask for the facility manager. Tell them what happened. Mr. Fubar WILL get
called on the carpet, and his boss will have the tapes and the radar data in
front of them. If it happens enough, he'll get his certification pulled,
and with any luck, he'll be out the door. It's just a simple way you as a
pilot can improve the level of service you receive from the FAA. Believe it
or not, the FAA does treat pilot feedback very seriously.

Mike wrote:
"FUBAR7" wrote in message
...
The world (And FAA Management) will never know

Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles with some
FAA sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.

Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York regarding
the 2nd near pink mist at JFK

WASHINGTON --
After another close call, the Federal Aviation Administration has
finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy Airport.

http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html

The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA has screamed
for over 10 years the runway configuration was ****ED UP and a
accident waiting to happen at JFK.

FAA Management a.k.a. "The Tombstone Agency" FINALLY
got around to it after TWO near DISASTERS???????

Like I said, a huge air disaster combined with high fuel prices
"could" put a death spike into the airline industry. The FAILED
policies of the FAA combined with FAA incompetent management has lead
us down this road toward disaster for years.

The old saying one straw will break the camels back??

Wait till a mid-air rains about 500 bodies and parts and goo over some
metropolitan area

All you FAA sycophants will be looking for new employment.

Repeat after me.............

"You want fries with that sir"??

Brings back fond memories of the '81 strike and running into former
ATCSs who wanted the same pay as 747 captains and a 32 hour work week.
At least the 2nd part panned out for them.



The guys moving tin deserve a lot more money then the FAA
managers sitting in some cubicle doing NOTHING that's for sure

So, I take it you want the controllers to work 50 hours a
week and stay tired all the time like some worker in a
tennis shoe factory huh??


I am sure they will remember that when you are low on fuel
and lost in pea soup and the only thing between you and
death is that controllers calm voice

Mike wrote:
"FUBAR7" wrote in message
...
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
FUBAR7 wrote:
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
FUBAR7 wrote:
The world (And FAA Management) will never know

Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles
with some FAA sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.

Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York
regarding the 2nd near pink mist at JFK

WASHINGTON --
After another close call, the Federal Aviation
Administration has
finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy
Airport.

http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html

The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA
has screamed for over 10 years the runway configuration was
****ED UP and a accident waiting to happen at JFK.

Were the involved aircraft following instructions issued by NATCA
controllers?


Yes, under duress by forced work procedures mandated by FAA
draconian management


What forced work procedures caused the duress to the controllers
involved in these incidents?

EXPANSION OF FAA MANAGEMENT POSITIONS IN CUBICLE RAT POSITIONS BUT
REDUCTION IN KEY SAFETY AND FRONT LINE CONTROLLER AND TECHNICIAN
POSITIONS

Poor training

An off-the-street controller will typically spend about 4 years in
training for the position in question.

FAA management overruling controller concerns of unsafe parallel
runway configuration and procedures at JFK

Funny how NATCA never issued a press release on it, despite the
procedures being in place for years and NATCA's penchant for issuing
press releases on every other play on irrational fears they can think of.

Insufficient staffing during peak traffic periods

According to NATCA who has been complaining about staffing for the past
26 years running.

Boy/Wolf.

Ridiculous dress codes

Controllers making 6 figures can't wear shorts, flip flops, and T-shirts
to work anymore. Kinda makes you get all teary eyed, doesn't it?

Salary cuts

No controller ever received a salary cut.

No union contract

Because NATCA refused to negotiate in good faith they didn't get a
contract per rules put in place over 10 years ago which NATCA lobbied
for and endorsed. They didn't complain about it much 10 years ago when
they were getting massive pay increases.

Poor OJT training at many level 5 towers

Because many NATCA members refuse to give OJT (which is part of their
job that they get paid well for) since they are no longer getting EXTRA
pay for doing so. Furthermore, all the extra functions NATCA members
agreed to do in order to get massive pay increases in their last
contract never materialized. In other words, when NATCA members are
paid more to supposedly do more, but don't do more, that's OK, but when
management expects them to actually do the job they are paid to do,
that's not OK. Then when they don't do the job they are paid to do, they
blame their own failures on "management".

Supervisors unable to work traffic or stay current

False.

Diversity promotions USING NON-WHITE MALE people who are unqualified

Didn't you just claim ALL promotees are unqualified? Your true bigoted
colors are shining through.

And many more too numerous to mention.

Translation: I lost my list of NATCA talking points, but none of them
were any better than the shorts & flip-flop one anyway.

Notice how the disgruntled NATCA member hopes and prays for an accident
where people get killed so he can score his pathetic points and
hopefully go back to wearing shorts & flip-flops, and getting ridiculous
raises for doing nothing extra, and spending 3 hours on position during
an 8 hour shift.

Don't get me wrong, most NATCA members and non-NATCA member controllers
are very good and professional employees that do a very good job and
complain very little because they know they have it good. Then you have
those who are like this guy. Chances are he's nothing more than a
perennial complainer who can't hack it to begin with. He has a bone to
pick with FAA management because they had the audacity to expect him to
actually do something to earn his salary. With any luck, his Type A
personality will cause him to lose his medical and his job (if this
hasn't happened already), or perhaps his boss will finally get enough of
his crap and fire him for performance issues. In the mean time he will
continue to blame all his problems on minorities and FAA management when
even the casual observer can tell he's the root of his own problems.

You can always tell his type when you get them on frequency. He's the
type that will refuse your requests even though he's not that busy, give
you a ****ty attitude, and send you around the long way just because he
wants to use a job action to make one of his pointless points. So you
put up with his crap knowing you'll be handed off in a few minutes to a
more professional controller, but don't forget his fellow employees and
other pilots have to put up with his crap for a lot longer.

If you want to do your fellow pilots, the FAA, and Mr. Fubar's fellow
employees a favor, the next time he screws you over on frequency ask for
his initials (he has to give them to you), then ask for the number of
the facility. Be sure to note the approximate time and location. When
you call the facility, ask for the QA manager's number, or if it's a
smaller facility ask for the facility manager. Tell them what
happened. Mr. Fubar WILL get called on the carpet, and his boss will
have the tapes and the radar data in front of them. If it happens
enough, he'll get his certification pulled, and with any luck, he'll be
out the door. It's just a simple way you as a pilot can improve the
level of service you receive from the FAA. Believe it or not, the FAA
does treat pilot feedback very seriously.

Blah-Blah-Blah

Obviously you are clueless and you have no idea how the real
ATCT world works

PLONK

"FUBAR7" wrote in message
...
Mike wrote:
"FUBAR7" wrote in message
...
The world (And FAA Management) will never know

Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles with some FAA
sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.

Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York regarding
the 2nd near pink mist at JFK

WASHINGTON --
After another close call, the Federal Aviation Administration has
finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy Airport.

http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html

The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA has screamed
for over 10 years the runway configuration was ****ED UP and a accident
waiting to happen at JFK.

FAA Management a.k.a. "The Tombstone Agency" FINALLY
got around to it after TWO near DISASTERS???????

Like I said, a huge air disaster combined with high fuel prices "could"
put a death spike into the airline industry. The FAILED policies of the
FAA combined with FAA incompetent management has lead us down this road
toward disaster for years.

The old saying one straw will break the camels back??

Wait till a mid-air rains about 500 bodies and parts and goo over some
metropolitan area

All you FAA sycophants will be looking for new employment.

Repeat after me.............

"You want fries with that sir"??

Brings back fond memories of the '81 strike and running into former ATCSs
who wanted the same pay as 747 captains and a 32 hour work week. At
least the 2nd part panned out for them.



The guys moving tin deserve a lot more money then the FAA managers sitting
in some cubicle doing NOTHING that's for sure

You don't move tin, Mr. Fubar. You sit in an ergonomically correct chair in
a climate controlled room and speak into a microphone. The aircrews who you
fantasize about their untimely demise move "tin". Furthermore many of those
do actually work under very demanding conditions (unlike the ones you
pretend to have), and many of those actually did get a substantial pay cut
(unlike the one you pretended to have). You would do well to remember that,
but I highly doubt you ever will and will intead chose to wallow in
self-pity that nobody else cares about.

So, I take it you want the controllers to work 50 hours a week and stay
tired all the time like some worker in a tennis shoe factory huh??


I am sure they will remember that when you are low on fuel and lost in pea
soup and the only thing between you and death is that controllers calm
voice

The best you can do is sit around and fantasize about an aircrew's demise so
you can make your silly points about how "bad" you have it?

You truly are a sad, pathetic individual.

"FUBAR7" wrote in message
...
Mike wrote:
"FUBAR7" wrote in message
...
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
FUBAR7 wrote:
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
FUBAR7 wrote:
The world (And FAA Management) will never know

Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles
with some FAA sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.

Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York
regarding the 2nd near pink mist at JFK

WASHINGTON --
After another close call, the Federal Aviation
Administration has
finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy
Airport.

http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html

The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA
has screamed for over 10 years the runway configuration was
****ED UP and a accident waiting to happen at JFK.

Were the involved aircraft following instructions issued by NATCA
controllers?


Yes, under duress by forced work procedures mandated by FAA
draconian management


What forced work procedures caused the duress to the controllers
involved in these incidents?

EXPANSION OF FAA MANAGEMENT POSITIONS IN CUBICLE RAT POSITIONS BUT
REDUCTION IN KEY SAFETY AND FRONT LINE CONTROLLER AND TECHNICIAN
POSITIONS

Poor training

An off-the-street controller will typically spend about 4 years in
training for the position in question.

FAA management overruling controller concerns of unsafe parallel runway
configuration and procedures at JFK

Funny how NATCA never issued a press release on it, despite the
procedures being in place for years and NATCA's penchant for issuing
press releases on every other play on irrational fears they can think of.

Insufficient staffing during peak traffic periods

According to NATCA who has been complaining about staffing for the past
26 years running.

Boy/Wolf.

Ridiculous dress codes

Controllers making 6 figures can't wear shorts, flip flops, and T-shirts
to work anymore. Kinda makes you get all teary eyed, doesn't it?

Salary cuts

No controller ever received a salary cut.

No union contract

Because NATCA refused to negotiate in good faith they didn't get a
contract per rules put in place over 10 years ago which NATCA lobbied for
and endorsed. They didn't complain about it much 10 years ago when they
were getting massive pay increases.

Poor OJT training at many level 5 towers

Because many NATCA members refuse to give OJT (which is part of their job
that they get paid well for) since they are no longer getting EXTRA pay
for doing so. Furthermore, all the extra functions NATCA members agreed
to do in order to get massive pay increases in their last contract never
materialized. In other words, when NATCA members are paid more to
supposedly do more, but don't do more, that's OK, but when management
expects them to actually do the job they are paid to do, that's not OK.
Then when they don't do the job they are paid to do, they blame their own
failures on "management".

Supervisors unable to work traffic or stay current

False.

Diversity promotions USING NON-WHITE MALE people who are unqualified

Didn't you just claim ALL promotees are unqualified? Your true bigoted
colors are shining through.

And many more too numerous to mention.

Translation: I lost my list of NATCA talking points, but none of them
were any better than the shorts & flip-flop one anyway.

Notice how the disgruntled NATCA member hopes and prays for an accident
where people get killed so he can score his pathetic points and hopefully
go back to wearing shorts & flip-flops, and getting ridiculous raises for
doing nothing extra, and spending 3 hours on position during an 8 hour
shift.

Don't get me wrong, most NATCA members and non-NATCA member controllers
are very good and professional employees that do a very good job and
complain very little because they know they have it good. Then you have
those who are like this guy. Chances are he's nothing more than a
perennial complainer who can't hack it to begin with. He has a bone to
pick with FAA management because they had the audacity to expect him to
actually do something to earn his salary. With any luck, his Type A
personality will cause him to lose his medical and his job (if this
hasn't happened already), or perhaps his boss will finally get enough of
his crap and fire him for performance issues. In the mean time he will
continue to blame all his problems on minorities and FAA management when
even the casual observer can tell he's the root of his own problems.

You can always tell his type when you get them on frequency. He's the
type that will refuse your requests even though he's not that busy, give
you a ****ty attitude, and send you around the long way just because he
wants to use a job action to make one of his pointless points. So you
put up with his crap knowing you'll be handed off in a few minutes to a
more professional controller, but don't forget his fellow employees and
other pilots have to put up with his crap for a lot longer.

If you want to do your fellow pilots, the FAA, and Mr. Fubar's fellow
employees a favor, the next time he screws you over on frequency ask for
his initials (he has to give them to you), then ask for the number of the
facility. Be sure to note the approximate time and location. When you
call the facility, ask for the QA manager's number, or if it's a smaller
facility ask for the facility manager. Tell them what happened. Mr.
Fubar WILL get called on the carpet, and his boss will have the tapes and
the radar data in front of them. If it happens enough, he'll get his
certification pulled, and with any luck, he'll be out the door. It's
just a simple way you as a pilot can improve the level of service you
receive from the FAA. Believe it or not, the FAA does treat pilot
feedback very seriously.

Blah-Blah-Blah

Obviously you are clueless and you have no idea how the real ATCT world
works

Actually I do, you know it, and that's why you're running away about right
now.


PLONK

Music to my ears.

FUBAR7 wrote:
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
FUBAR7 wrote:
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
FUBAR7 wrote:
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
FUBAR7 wrote:
The world (And FAA Management) will never know

Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles
with some FAA sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.

Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York
regarding the 2nd near pink mist at JFK

WASHINGTON --
After another close call, the Federal Aviation
Administration has
finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy
Airport.

http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html

The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA
has screamed for over 10 years the runway configuration was
****ED UP and a accident waiting to happen at JFK.

Were the involved aircraft following instructions issued by NATCA
controllers?


Yes, under duress by forced work procedures mandated by FAA
draconian management

What forced work procedures caused the duress to the controllers
involved in these incidents?


EXPANSION OF FAA MANAGEMENT POSITIONS IN CUBICLE RAT
POSITIONS BUT REDUCTION IN KEY SAFETY AND FRONT LINE
CONTROLLER AND TECHNICIAN POSITIONS

Poor training
FAA management overruling controller concerns of unsafe
parallel runway configuration and procedures at JFK
Insufficient staffing during peak traffic periods
Ridiculous dress codes
Salary cuts
No union contract
Poor OJT training at many level 5 towers
Supervisors unable to work traffic or stay current
Diversity promotions USING NON-WHITE MALE people who are
unqualified
And many more too numerous to mention.


Why was NATCA unable to stop any of those?




Anti-Labor and Anti-Union mandates sent forth from God on
High(Bush Administration)

Laws of physics allows putrid turd of anti-worker/anti-labor
to roll down all the way until it hits the bottom tier
workers in the face.

FAA management sycophants and managers who have sold their
soul for 30 pieces of silver and are weak and minion
servants to the upper management goons perpetuate the
draconian work atmosphere within the FAA.

The 2007 Government employee survey done by an independent
research company rated the FAA 204 out of 222 overall in
employee morale

In other words the FAA got an F-MINUS
The work atmosphere in the FAA is compared by many to
a sweat shop or saw mill or Chinese tennis shoe factory.

I think that about sums it up


No it doesn't. The part you're missing is that NATCA is part of the
problem. It's true that the FAA management is dominated by ineptitude at
every level but it's also true that NATCA is dominated by poor leadership at
every level. The best controllers are caught between them. They never
joined the union and aren't what the FAA seeks for management.

FUBAR7 wrote:
Mike wrote:
"FUBAR7" wrote in message
...
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
FUBAR7 wrote:
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
FUBAR7 wrote:
The world (And FAA Management) will never know

Moving on to real air safety issues and not thread battles
with some FAA sycophant(Mike)note the NAS is rapidly degrading.

Notice the first paragraph of the news article from New York
regarding the 2nd near pink mist at JFK

WASHINGTON --
After another close call, the Federal Aviation
Administration has
finally changed its landing and takeoff procedure at Kennedy
Airport.

http://www.wnbc.com/news/16858119/detail.html

The FAA is "FINALLY" changing their procedure?!?!!? NATCA
has screamed for over 10 years the runway configuration was
****ED UP and a accident waiting to happen at JFK.

Were the involved aircraft following instructions issued by NATCA
controllers?


Yes, under duress by forced work procedures mandated by FAA
draconian management


What forced work procedures caused the duress to the controllers
involved in these incidents?

EXPANSION OF FAA MANAGEMENT POSITIONS IN CUBICLE RAT POSITIONS BUT
REDUCTION IN KEY SAFETY AND FRONT LINE CONTROLLER AND TECHNICIAN
POSITIONS

Poor training

An off-the-street controller will typically spend about 4 years in
training for the position in question.

FAA management overruling controller concerns of unsafe parallel
runway configuration and procedures at JFK

Funny how NATCA never issued a press release on it, despite the
procedures being in place for years and NATCA's penchant for issuing
press releases on every other play on irrational fears they can
think of.
Insufficient staffing during peak traffic periods

According to NATCA who has been complaining about staffing for the
past 26 years running.

Boy/Wolf.

Ridiculous dress codes

Controllers making 6 figures can't wear shorts, flip flops, and
T-shirts to work anymore. Kinda makes you get all teary eyed,
doesn't it?
Salary cuts

No controller ever received a salary cut.

No union contract

Because NATCA refused to negotiate in good faith they didn't get a
contract per rules put in place over 10 years ago which NATCA lobbied
for and endorsed. They didn't complain about it much 10 years ago
when they were getting massive pay increases.

Poor OJT training at many level 5 towers

Because many NATCA members refuse to give OJT (which is part of their
job that they get paid well for) since they are no longer getting
EXTRA pay for doing so. Furthermore, all the extra functions NATCA
members agreed to do in order to get massive pay increases in their
last contract never materialized. In other words, when NATCA
members are paid more to supposedly do more, but don't do more,
that's OK, but when management expects them to actually do the job
they are paid to do, that's not OK. Then when they don't do the job
they are paid to do, they blame their own failures on "management".

Supervisors unable to work traffic or stay current

False.

Diversity promotions USING NON-WHITE MALE people who are unqualified

Didn't you just claim ALL promotees are unqualified? Your true
bigoted colors are shining through.

And many more too numerous to mention.

Translation: I lost my list of NATCA talking points, but none of them
were any better than the shorts & flip-flop one anyway.

Notice how the disgruntled NATCA member hopes and prays for an
accident where people get killed so he can score his pathetic points
and hopefully go back to wearing shorts & flip-flops, and getting
ridiculous raises for doing nothing extra, and spending 3 hours on
position during an 8 hour shift.

Don't get me wrong, most NATCA members and non-NATCA member
controllers are very good and professional employees that do a very
good job and complain very little because they know they have it
good. Then you have those who are like this guy. Chances are he's
nothing more than a perennial complainer who can't hack it to begin
with. He has a bone to pick with FAA management because they had
the audacity to expect him to actually do something to earn his
salary. With any luck, his Type A personality will cause him to
lose his medical and his job (if this hasn't happened already), or
perhaps his boss will finally get enough of his crap and fire him
for performance issues. In the mean time he will continue to blame
all his problems on minorities and FAA management when even the
casual observer can tell he's the root of his own problems. You can
always tell his type when you get them on frequency. He's
the type that will refuse your requests even though he's not that
busy, give you a ****ty attitude, and send you around the long way
just because he wants to use a job action to make one of his
pointless points. So you put up with his crap knowing you'll be
handed off in a few minutes to a more professional controller, but
don't forget his fellow employees and other pilots have to put up
with his crap for a lot longer. If you want to do your fellow pilots, the
FAA, and Mr. Fubar's fellow
employees a favor, the next time he screws you over on frequency ask
for his initials (he has to give them to you), then ask for the
number of the facility. Be sure to note the approximate time and
location. When you call the facility, ask for the QA manager's
number, or if it's a smaller facility ask for the facility manager. Tell
them what happened. Mr. Fubar WILL get called on the carpet, and his
boss will
have the tapes and the radar data in front of them. If it happens
enough, he'll get his certification pulled, and with any luck, he'll
be out the door. It's just a simple way you as a pilot can improve
the level of service you receive from the FAA. Believe it or not,
the FAA does treat pilot feedback very seriously.

Blah-Blah-Blah

Obviously you are clueless and you have no idea how the real
ATCT world works


Do you believe you know how the real ATC world works?

In article , FUBAR7
wrote:

More info on the near pink mist at JFK

http://wcbstv.com/breakingnewsalerts....2.769281.html

A HALF MILE???

Oh, the humanity!

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