Groom Lake/area 51 Migs from 70s info needed

From: Aerophotos

care to explain what my mate was doing flying a USAF aircraft over the
groom lake airspace and range in combat with "mig -21"was then ?

snip

Ummmm, Groom Lake aka Area 51 didn't exist in the 70's. That's the story
and
we're sticking to it.
Dave

I could be wrong but I would venture to say Dave was joking.

Take a look at the charts for that time frame. The area is blank. The
government denied it existed. No one who worked there was allowed to
talk...etc.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Kinda like Brits and the 4th of July, eh?

Greg

"breyfogle" wrote in message ...

Area 51 has existed for something like 50 years or so but until the mid 80's
(??) it was so secret that any suggestion of its mere existance was
catagorically denied.

From: (B2431)


Ummmm, Groom Lake aka Area 51 didn't exist in the 70's. That's the story and
we're sticking to it.
Dave

From: Aerophotos
care to explain what my mate was doing flying a USAF aircraft over the groom
lake airspace and range in combat with "mig -21"was then ?

I could be wrong but I would venture to say Dave was joking.

Take a look at the charts for that time frame. The area is blank. The
government denied it existed. No one who worked there was allowed to
talk...etc.
Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

You would be correct.....it was sort of a joke, although, the humor might not
have translated into that other English language (Australian) too well. Should
have pasted on a smilely.
Dave

Aerophotos wrote:

Anyone got info on what the Red Hats Sqn flying foreign Migs were doing
at Groom lake aka Area 51 in the early-late 70s?

As far as early 70s, that sounds like the right time for the
Have Drill/Have Doughnut tests with MiG17 and MiG21. I recall that the
Navy staff developing Top Gun's syllabus made use of USAF assets
during that phase. It may have been as early as the end of 1969,
though.



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Hi,

For info, in 1969 the USN flew 'Have Drill' missions with a MiG-19 against two
loaned ANG F-86Hs. Guess that puts a date for the start of the programme.

BTW - isn't there an ex-Red Hat MiG-21 in the USAFM?

Duncan

"DunxC" wrote in message
...
Hi,

For info, in 1969 the USN flew 'Have Drill' missions with a MiG-19 against
two
loaned ANG F-86Hs. Guess that puts a date for the start of the programme.

BTW - isn't there an ex-Red Hat MiG-21 in the USAFM?

Red hats are GE, it is an engine thing.

From a Google seach on "Red Hat Squadron"...

The Red Hat Squadron is the name given to the fliers of capture/stolen
Soviet aircraft. The Red Hat Squadron operates out of Area 51. It is
speculated they use Hanger 5 at the Area 51, Groom Lake airbase. Resulting
from the foreign material exploitation program named "Red Hat", the Red Hat
Squadron started in the 1960's and has been attributed to the improved
fighter kill ratios in the Viet Nam, the Persian Gulf and Serbia conflicts.
Soviet aircraft in the Red Hat Squadron include the Mig 17, Mig-19, Mig-21,
Mig-23, Mig-27 and Su-27.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
...

"DunxC" wrote in message
...
Hi,

For info, in 1969 the USN flew 'Have Drill' missions with a MiG-19
against
two
loaned ANG F-86Hs. Guess that puts a date for the start of the
programme.

BTW - isn't there an ex-Red Hat MiG-21 in the USAFM?

Red hats are GE, it is an engine thing.

"breyfogle" wrote in message
...
From a Google seach on "Red Hat Squadron"...

The Red Hat Squadron is the name given to the fliers of capture/stolen
Soviet aircraft. The Red Hat Squadron operates out of Area 51. It is
speculated they use Hanger 5 at the Area 51, Groom Lake airbase.
Resulting
from the foreign material exploitation program named "Red Hat", the Red
Hat
Squadron started in the 1960's and has been attributed to the improved
fighter kill ratios in the Viet Nam, the Persian Gulf and Serbia
conflicts.
Soviet aircraft in the Red Hat Squadron include the Mig 17, Mig-19,
Mig-21,
Mig-23, Mig-27 and Su-27.

We had red hats at north base at Eddies, they are GE and secret (civilians).
What you dug up on google is what some nut wrote to a URL. They once did
quite a bit of traveling, but they are no more.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
...

"DunxC" wrote in message
...
Hi,

For info, in 1969 the USN flew 'Have Drill' missions with a MiG-19
against
two
loaned ANG F-86Hs. Guess that puts a date for the start of the
programme.

BTW - isn't there an ex-Red Hat MiG-21 in the USAFM?

Red hats are GE, it is an engine thing.

breyfogle wrote:

Soviet aircraft in the Red Hat Squadron include the Mig 17, Mig-19, Mig-21,
Mig-23, Mig-27 and Su-27.

Where did they get Su-27 from?


Qman

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message ...

We had red hats at north base at Eddies, they are GE and secret (civilians).
What you dug up on google is what some nut wrote to a URL.

Well that certainly adds credibility to what some nut (you) wrote to a
newsgroup. I have a red hat at home that has the GE logo on it - does
that make me a secret civilian?

GregD