Front Electric Sustainer

So how does rubber (or modern synthetic varieties thereof) compare on
an energy storage per mass basis with lithium/ion batteries? We use
them for bungee launches - how about powering a sustainer?

I have this vision of a large coil of rubber between my legs powering
a slow-turning single-bladed prop!

Mike

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:47:40 -0800, Mike the Strike wrote:

So how does rubber (or modern synthetic varieties thereof) compare on an
energy storage per mass basis with lithium/ion batteries? We use them
for bungee launches - how about powering a sustainer?

Good quality rubber strip stores around 3000 ft/lb per pound of rubber.
Sad to say, I've completely forgotten how to convert that to something we
could compare with a battery, say to kW/kg.

I have this vision of a large coil of rubber between my legs powering a
slow-turning single-bladed prop!

That sounds potentially as dangerous to valued objects as snapping the
drive shaft of a P.39 Airacobra.


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martin@ | Martin Gregorie
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On Nov 2, 4:37*pm, Martin Gregorie
wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:47:40 -0800, Mike the Strike wrote:
So how does rubber (or modern synthetic varieties thereof) compare on an
energy storage per mass basis with lithium/ion batteries? *We use them
for bungee launches - how about powering a sustainer?

Good quality rubber strip stores around 3000 *ft/lb per pound of rubber..
Sad to say, I've completely forgotten how to convert that to something we
could compare with a battery, say to kW/kg.

I have this vision of a large coil of rubber between my legs powering a
slow-turning single-bladed prop!

That sounds potentially as dangerous to valued objects as snapping the
drive shaft of a P.39 Airacobra.

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martin@ * | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org * * * |

If I've calculated correctly (and I may not have) 3000 ft-lb/lb of
rubber = 8,965 joules/kg of rubber. So a 100 kg rubber band would
store 896.5 kilo joules of energy which expended over 60 seconds
provides a stunning power output of (drum roll please) 15 kw. It
would be damn exciting on a FF model, but probably not practical as a
sustainer.

Craig

Would that be 1987 Pirelli?? I've heard that sometimes FAI Tan is
comperable. I seem to recall a man-carrying rubber powered plane
making an attemp in the late 1980's or early '1990's.

Good quality rubber strip stores around 3000 *ft/lb per pound of rubber..
Sad to say, I've completely forgotten how to convert that to something we
could compare with a battery, say to kW/kg.

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:25:56 -0800, Craig wrote:

On Nov 2, 4:37Â*pm, Martin Gregorie
wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:47:40 -0800, Mike the Strike wrote:
So how does rubber (or modern synthetic varieties thereof) compare on
an energy storage per mass basis with lithium/ion batteries? Â*We use
them for bungee launches - how about powering a sustainer?

Good quality rubber strip stores around 3000 Â*ft/lb per pound of
rubber. Sad to say, I've completely forgotten how to convert that to
something we could compare with a battery, say to kW/kg.

I have this vision of a large coil of rubber between my legs powering
a slow-turning single-bladed prop!

That sounds potentially as dangerous to valued objects as snapping the
drive shaft of a P.39 Airacobra.

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martin@ Â* | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org Â* Â* Â* |

If I've calculated correctly (and I may not have) 3000 ft-lb/lb of
rubber = 8,965 joules/kg of rubber. So a 100 kg rubber band would store
896.5 kilo joules of energy which expended over 60 seconds provides a
stunning power output of (drum roll please) 15 kw. It would be damn
exciting on a FF model, but probably not practical as a sustainer.

So that's 0.25 kWh by my reckoning. By contrast the LAK FES installation
carries two 3.6 kWh batteries.

I make that rubber 0, electric 1


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martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:59:21 -0800, Uncle Fuzzy wrote:

Would that be 1987 Pirelli?? I've heard that sometimes FAI Tan is
comperable. I seem to recall a man-carrying rubber powered plane making
an attemp in the late 1980's or early '1990's.

That value was from a 2008 NFFS Sympo paper for Tan 2. I don't fly
rubber, preferring 50m of towline or a screaming Cyclon 06, but IIRC Tan
2 is now about as good as the best Pirelli and the Tan SuperSport is
coming pretty close too.


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martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
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