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Old October 31st 03, 10:50 AM
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Is the new Marine Corps cobra as good as the apache?

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Old November 5th 03, 06:00 AM
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Yes and no - depending on what tactics are used - what the mission
is..........

Overall - the Apache is sturdier - but less nimble, heavier and less able to
hover OGE at high altitudes.

The D model apache (longbow) has some great features that the Z model
Cobra - may or may not have - depends if they bought the MMW Radar pod....

The Z Cobra has better optics than the AH-64 (either models)....

And since the USMC uses more balanced tactics when employing their attack
helicopters - Then the army does - the Z model is probably a lot more
likely to kill bad guys and not get shot down......

If the Army can teach it's pilots to shoot while moving - and if the Apache
has the capability to do that then yes the Apache is as good as or better
than the Cobra.....

Helomech





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Is the new Marine Corps cobra as good as the apache?



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Old November 7th 03, 01:45 AM
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"dano" wrote in message
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". ." wrote in message
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Is the new Marine Corps cobra as good as the apache?


In article ,
"Helomech" wrote:

Yes and no - depending on what tactics are used - what the mission
is..........

Overall - the Apache is sturdier - but less nimble, heavier and less

able to
hover OGE at high altitudes.

The D model apache (longbow) has some great features that the Z model
Cobra - may or may not have - depends if they bought the MMW Radar

pod....

The Z Cobra has better optics than the AH-64 (either models)....

And since the USMC uses more balanced tactics when employing their

attack
helicopters - Then the army does - the Z model is probably a lot more
likely to kill bad guys and not get shot down......

If the Army can teach it's pilots to shoot while moving - and if the

Apache
has the capability to do that then yes the Apache is as good as or

better
than the Cobra.....


My server has short retention, so perhaps the following was previously
asked...

The Cobra is single engine, isn't it?
Apache is two engine?




Both helictopers have the same number of engines - 2 GE T-700's



What are the respective weights?


Read in lbs.......

AH-1Z Cobra 12300 empty - 18500 max

AH-64D Longbow Apache - 11,800 empty - 16027 max



And what are the approximate procurement costs?


I no idea - but would bet a 12 pack that the Cobra is cheaper than the
current D model Apache............by a significant amount of money.....

And has a better mission capable rate too.....the Apache is supposed to have
an average OR rate of 75% - well BS I have seen MANY - MANY USMC Cobra
Squadrons that had better OR rates than that........ more like 85% or
better......

Helomech




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Old December 30th 03, 03:44 PM
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"Helomech" wrote:
And has a better mission capable rate too.....the Apache is supposed to have
an average OR rate of 75% - well BS I have seen MANY - MANY USMC Cobra
Squadrons that had better OR rates than that........ more like 85% or
better......


Do the Cobras use the same TADS/PNVS that has plagued the
Apache ? It's always been a reliability issue, it seems.



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Old December 31st 03, 12:55 AM
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"John S. Shinal" wrote in message
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"Helomech" wrote:
And has a better mission capable rate too.....the Apache is supposed to

have
an average OR rate of 75% - well BS I have seen MANY - MANY USMC Cobra
Squadrons that had better OR rates than that........ more like 85% or
better......


Do the Cobras use the same TADS/PNVS that has plagued the
Apache ? It's always been a reliability issue, it seems.


No the AH-1Z uses a different system - FLIR - Targeting, made by a different
vendor and is more up to date than the TADS/PNVS the AH-64D has.......

Helomech


 




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