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The Spruce Goosed by the ADA?



 
 
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Old March 23rd 04, 09:18 PM
Jay Honeck
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And it occurs to me that given some very minor modifications, *one* of
the AF1's is very handicapped accessable. One just wouldn't be able to
wheel through the rest of the airplane.


True, but I doubt any wheelchair-bound person nowadays would want to ride
Roosevelt's rickety-looking elevator into the cargo bay of a DC-4...
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Old March 23rd 04, 09:50 PM
Peter Duniho
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"Rob Perkins" wrote in message
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The old Air Force One airplanes at Wright-Patterson can never be
h-capped accessable. The passages left to museumgoers is only two feet
wide, after all the plexiglass protective walls are accounted for.

In spite of this I think the Air Force is still letting people go
through the planes.


There are plenty of examples of places that are accessible by the public,
but not to all handicapped people. I'm no expert on disability law, but
it's obvious that the ADA has some sort of allowance for situations where
accessibility is not compatible with practicality or history. It's not the
case that simply being accessible by the public is in and of itself
sufficient for requiring handicapped access under the ADA.

It's possible the Evergreen Museum actually does believe that the ADA
requires the Spruce Goose to be made handicapped-accessible, but I doubt
that the law actually does. There are too many examples of inaccessible
museum displays, aircraft and otherwaise, for that to actually be the case.
You mentioned the AF1 displays at Wright-Patterson, and the AF1 display at
the Museum of Flight in Seattle has the same characteristic, as do many of
the displays at the Pima Air Museum in Tucson (including their AF1 planes).

Someone needs to get the folks at Evergreen straightened out.

Pete


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Old March 24th 04, 01:35 AM
Rob Perkins
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"Peter Duniho" wrote:

It's possible the Evergreen Museum actually does believe that the ADA
requires the Spruce Goose to be made handicapped-accessible, but I doubt
that the law actually does.


Well, y'know, Pete, what can you say?

It's Oregon! :-)

Rob
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Old March 24th 04, 03:47 AM
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Jay Honeck wrote:

Maybe we should keep quiet, lest someone bitches and they have to shut 'em
down.


I don't think there's any fear of that. I took a look at the ADA stuff, and it's
all very well worded. There is no mention of the regs being applicable to museums,
and the regs are full of phrases like "where reasonably accomplished". I expect
what's happened is that some organization has threatened to sue the museum and
the museum can't afford to defend the suit, so they've caved in. The Air Force
would tell such a group to stick it.

George Patterson
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Old March 24th 04, 06:18 AM
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Did they have the SR-71 out yet


"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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Someone posted on the Pacific Northwest Flying forum that they had flown

to
McMinnville, OR to tour the Spruce Goose. What they found out was that

since
the entire airplane is not handicapped accessible the public was no longer
being allowed to go through it. The only view of the interior now

available
is from a glass box inside the fuselage. If the airplane is not made
accessible to everybody then nobody can see it. Of course, modifying the
airplane to make it accessible would probably destroy its value as an
artifact.

Evergreen Museum is attempting to get around the rule by claiming that
registered members are not the general public, so at least their members
should still be allowed to tour the plane.

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Christopher J. Campbell
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Port Orchard, WA


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Old March 27th 04, 04:52 AM
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In article , Rob Perkins
writes:

In spite of this I think the Air Force is still letting people go
through the planes.


Of course they are. After all the government is exempt from such silly
goverment edicts. After all, if the government had to abide by all the silly
edicts that it imposed on the rest of us, they'd get less done than they do
now.

Such is the logical end of such efforts at "fairness" in society by the
socialist lot. Keep lowering standards nearer to the lowest common
denominator, until finally it's at zero.

John
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Old March 27th 04, 05:33 AM
Doug Carter
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JohnMcGrew wrote:

After all, if the government had to abide by all the silly edicts that
it imposed on the rest of us, they'd get less done than they do now.


As Martha would say (now more than ever) "that would be a good thing."
 




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