Tomahawk/ Skipper

It always rattled the tail in stalls, and my instructor would cast a
worried look back there. What did I know about tails - I was just a
student.

Ha! I'd forgotten about that.

The old Cherokee 140 I trained in also made all sorts of weird noises in the
stall, seemingly coming from the aft fuselage section.

Only later did I realize it was probably *always* making that noise (or
worse), and we just couldn't hear it until the power was off.

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Right now I'm walking, but when the lottery comes through,
I'll get an XL1200R and maybe a V-Rod with mid-mount
controls. Hey, I think arriving with the bike in an
airplane would be cool. Maybe land in town and taxi down
main street.

No roids, just old.

Bah. I'd rather die than be seen trailering my motorcycle to a rally.

Of course, that's prolly why I don't go to rallies anymore...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Recently, posted:

Never flew the Skipper, but had some time in the Traumahawk. Two
things that I remember besides being horribly underpowered was my
instructor repeatedly warning me about secondary stalls in one and
accelerated stalls at high bank angles. From what I can remember from
his warnings is that the Trauma when it enters the secondary stall,
becomes overly sensitive to having a wing down and when the stall
breaks, it definately wanted to go on it's back and spin. At that
point and when you had an accelerated stall at at large bank angle,
the tail would start to waggle pretty hard and if you were looking at
the correct time, you would catch seeing the fin twist a considerable
amount of distance off of the centerline of the aircraft.

Hmm. Never experienced that kind of thing in the Tomahawk, even in a spin.
Perhaps it was because the one I flew was a later model? I think there's a
lot more myth than truth about these planes.

Neil

Hmmm,
Maybe find one cheap enough..and for me that takes some doing! HAHA The
wing rebuild would be a blast. To bad they don't meet the sport category :
( . But one day if I have the room , it'd be nice to tinker on one, or a
Skipper as well. My basement shop is getting alittle full now with Luscombe
parts and Volksplane parts! Ahhhh the dilemma of another plane. I need
some land and my own hangar...just have to keep dreaming for awhile.

Patrick
student SP
aircraft structural mech

"Kyle Boatright" wrote in message
. ..

"W P Dixon" wrote in message
...
I've never flown one but I will say I have noticed their cost. Seem to be
easily obtainable from 16-20G . I may have to do alittle checking into
the wing problem. Can the wing be rebuilt, or does it have to be red
tagged after those hours? Rebuilding a wing is alot of fun, for me
anyhow, if that was allowable?

Patrick
student SP
aircraft structural mech

Of course you could remanufacture a wing. However, IIRC the life limit is
well over 10k hours, and there are plenty of 3,000 to 4,000 hour Tomahawks
out there. It might not be worth the time and expense right now...

KB

Patrick, if there was ever a human being that should be building a homebuilt
it is you. You should really think about a Zenith 601XL.

"W P Dixon" wrote in message
...
Hmmm,
Maybe find one cheap enough..and for me that takes some doing! HAHA The
wing rebuild would be a blast. To bad they don't meet the sport category :
( . But one day if I have the room , it'd be nice to tinker on one, or a
Skipper as well. My basement shop is getting alittle full now with
Luscombe parts and Volksplane parts! Ahhhh the dilemma of another plane.
I need some land and my own hangar...just have to keep dreaming for
awhile.

Patrick
student SP
aircraft structural mech

If you built a whole new wing and it met the 51% rule, you
would have a new airplane and you could set the GW at 1320 .


"W P Dixon" wrote in
message ...
| Hmmm,
| Maybe find one cheap enough..and for me that takes some
doing! HAHA The
| wing rebuild would be a blast. To bad they don't meet the
sport category :
| ( . But one day if I have the room , it'd be nice to
tinker on one, or a
| Skipper as well. My basement shop is getting alittle full
now with Luscombe
| parts and Volksplane parts! Ahhhh the dilemma of another
plane. I need
| some land and my own hangar...just have to keep dreaming
for awhile.
|
| Patrick
| student SP
| aircraft structural mech
|
| "Kyle Boatright" wrote in
message
| . ..
|
| "W P Dixon" wrote in
message
| ...
| I've never flown one but I will say I have noticed
their cost. Seem to be
| easily obtainable from 16-20G . I may have to do
alittle checking into
| the wing problem. Can the wing be rebuilt, or does it
have to be red
| tagged after those hours? Rebuilding a wing is alot of
fun, for me
| anyhow, if that was allowable?
|
| Patrick
| student SP
| aircraft structural mech
|
| Of course you could remanufacture a wing. However, IIRC
the life limit is
| well over 10k hours, and there are plenty of 3,000 to
4,000 hour Tomahawks
| out there. It might not be worth the time and expense
right now...
|
| KB
|
|
|
|
|

And it would make a nice 1128 lbs (empty weight) lawn ornament...



"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:CJqef.3403$QW2.467@dukeread08...
If you built a whole new wing and it met the 51% rule, you
would have a new airplane and you could set the GW at 1320 .


"W P Dixon" wrote in
message ...
| Hmmm,
| Maybe find one cheap enough..and for me that takes some
doing! HAHA The
| wing rebuild would be a blast. To bad they don't meet the
sport category :
| ( . But one day if I have the room , it'd be nice to
tinker on one, or a
| Skipper as well. My basement shop is getting alittle full
now with Luscombe
| parts and Volksplane parts! Ahhhh the dilemma of another
plane. I need
| some land and my own hangar...just have to keep dreaming
for awhile.
|
| Patrick
| student SP
| aircraft structural mech
|
| "Kyle Boatright" wrote in
message
| . ..
|
| "W P Dixon" wrote in
message
| ...
| I've never flown one but I will say I have noticed
their cost. Seem to be
| easily obtainable from 16-20G . I may have to do
alittle checking into
| the wing problem. Can the wing be rebuilt, or does it
have to be red
| tagged after those hours? Rebuilding a wing is alot of
fun, for me
| anyhow, if that was allowable?
|
| Patrick
| student SP
| aircraft structural mech
|
| Of course you could remanufacture a wing. However, IIRC
the life limit is
| well over 10k hours, and there are plenty of 3,000 to
4,000 hour Tomahawks
| out there. It might not be worth the time and expense
right now...
|
| KB
|
|
|
|
|

I hear you!
I do like the 601, fellow in our EAA group built one and is having a ball
flying her. He bought the quick kit, and he put it together very quick I
might ad, and he'd never built a plane before. Myself I like the here are
the blueprints now have at it option. But I love doing the metal work and
that, like aircraft painting just isn't for everyone. Though the 701 is not
as fast I like that plane as well...just an excellant take it hunting or
fishing airplane. The VP may make some very serious progress very shortly,
I'll let ya know what happens on it.
My drawback on the 701 is from what I have heard it really needs that
high priced Rotax to get the best performance, the 601 I am still waiting to
see how peoples powerplant choices are working for them. Hear good things
with an 0-200. But there are alot of certified airplanes that would be fun
restoration projects..if I could get lucky to find one under a King's ransom
; )

Patrick
student SP
aircraft structural mech

"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote in message
...
Patrick, if there was ever a human being that should be building a
homebuilt it is you. You should really think about a Zenith 601XL.

"W P Dixon" wrote in message
...
Hmmm,
Maybe find one cheap enough..and for me that takes some doing! HAHA The
wing rebuild would be a blast. To bad they don't meet the sport category
: ( . But one day if I have the room , it'd be nice to tinker on one, or
a Skipper as well. My basement shop is getting alittle full now with
Luscombe parts and Volksplane parts! Ahhhh the dilemma of another plane.
I need some land and my own hangar...just have to keep dreaming for
awhile.

Patrick
student SP
aircraft structural mech

Ahhhhh,
But what would be the actual gross with the cockpit full of potted
flowers? ; )

Patrick
student SP
aircraft structural mech

"Lakeview Bill" wrote in message
. ..
And it would make a nice 1128 lbs (empty weight) lawn ornament...



"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
news:CJqef.3403$QW2.467@dukeread08...
If you built a whole new wing and it met the 51% rule, you
would have a new airplane and you could set the GW at 1320 .


"W P Dixon" wrote in
message ...
| Hmmm,
| Maybe find one cheap enough..and for me that takes some
doing! HAHA The
| wing rebuild would be a blast. To bad they don't meet the
sport category :
| ( . But one day if I have the room , it'd be nice to
tinker on one, or a
| Skipper as well. My basement shop is getting alittle full
now with Luscombe
| parts and Volksplane parts! Ahhhh the dilemma of another
plane. I need
| some land and my own hangar...just have to keep dreaming
for awhile.
|
| Patrick
| student SP
| aircraft structural mech
|
| "Kyle Boatright" wrote in
message
| . ..
|
| "W P Dixon" wrote in
message
| ...
| I've never flown one but I will say I have noticed
their cost. Seem to be
| easily obtainable from 16-20G . I may have to do
alittle checking into
| the wing problem. Can the wing be rebuilt, or does it
have to be red
| tagged after those hours? Rebuilding a wing is alot of
fun, for me
| anyhow, if that was allowable?
|
| Patrick
| student SP
| aircraft structural mech
|
| Of course you could remanufacture a wing. However, IIRC
the life limit is
| well over 10k hours, and there are plenty of 3,000 to
4,000 hour Tomahawks
| out there. It might not be worth the time and expense
right now...
|
| KB
|
|
|
|
|

depends on how you did the rebuild, the size of the wing and
how much crap was removed from the rest of the structure.


"Lakeview Bill" wrote in message
. ..
| And it would make a nice 1128 lbs (empty weight) lawn
ornament...
|
|
|
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:CJqef.3403$QW2.467@dukeread08...
| If you built a whole new wing and it met the 51% rule,
you
| would have a new airplane and you could set the GW at
1320 .
|
|
| "W P Dixon" wrote in
| message ...
| | Hmmm,
| | Maybe find one cheap enough..and for me that takes
some
| doing! HAHA The
| | wing rebuild would be a blast. To bad they don't meet
the
| sport category :
| | ( . But one day if I have the room , it'd be nice to
| tinker on one, or a
| | Skipper as well. My basement shop is getting alittle
full
| now with Luscombe
| | parts and Volksplane parts! Ahhhh the dilemma of
another
| plane. I need
| | some land and my own hangar...just have to keep
dreaming
| for awhile.
| |
| | Patrick
| | student SP
| | aircraft structural mech
| |
| | "Kyle Boatright" wrote in
| message
| | . ..
| |
| | "W P Dixon" wrote
in
| message
| | ...
| | I've never flown one but I will say I have noticed
| their cost. Seem to be
| | easily obtainable from 16-20G . I may have to do
| alittle checking into
| | the wing problem. Can the wing be rebuilt, or does
it
| have to be red
| | tagged after those hours? Rebuilding a wing is alot
of
| fun, for me
| | anyhow, if that was allowable?
| |
| | Patrick
| | student SP
| | aircraft structural mech
| |
| | Of course you could remanufacture a wing. However,
IIRC
| the life limit is
| | well over 10k hours, and there are plenty of 3,000
to
| 4,000 hour Tomahawks
| | out there. It might not be worth the time and
expense
| right now...
| |
| | KB
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
|
|
|
|