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Old November 17th 03, 03:30 AM
Matthew S. Whiting
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Tarver Engineering wrote:
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Who stands to gain from ATC privatization? Are there major

businesses

that do this now, and others that are quietly preparing to pick up

some

fat federal ATC contracts? Do these companies have any connection

to

the white house and friends?


It will be sold off to the airlines which makes a lot of sense. Sell a
national asset to companies that are struggling to either avoid or get

out

of bankruptcy. Maybe the White House think that putting ATC into their
balance sheets will give the airlines more strength.

An ATC responsive to common carriers has a very real apeal.


and to hell with GA too!



GA would not only get superior service, but $100,000,000 in the aviation
budget.





Can you name one country with private ATC where this is true?

Matt

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Old November 17th 03, 03:33 AM
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"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message
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Tarver Engineering wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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Who stands to gain from ATC privatization? Are there major

businesses

that do this now, and others that are quietly preparing to pick up

some

fat federal ATC contracts? Do these companies have any connection

to

the white house and friends?


It will be sold off to the airlines which makes a lot of sense. Sell a
national asset to companies that are struggling to either avoid or get

out

of bankruptcy. Maybe the White House think that putting ATC into their
balance sheets will give the airlines more strength.

An ATC responsive to common carriers has a very real apeal.

and to hell with GA too!



GA would not only get superior service, but $100,000,000 in the aviation
budget.


Can you name one country with private ATC where this is true?


These United States is where the money is offered and GA is valued.


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Old November 17th 03, 03:35 AM
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"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message
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Tarver Engineering wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message
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Who stands to gain from ATC privatization? Are there major businesses
that do this now, and others that are quietly preparing to pick up some
fat federal ATC contracts? Do these companies have any connection to
the white house and friends?


It will be sold off to the airlines which makes a lot of sense. Sell a
national asset to companies that are struggling to either avoid or get

out
of bankruptcy. Maybe the White House think that putting ATC into their
balance sheets will give the airlines more strength.



An ATC responsive to common carriers has a very real apeal.


Only if you are a common carrier. A large part of the air traffic isn't
airline.


The system was at capacity about 2 years ago and will be again. Under the
current system small GA will probably be frozen out of some places by 2010.
Automation can be done, but concrete is not green.


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Old November 17th 03, 03:36 AM
Matthew S. Whiting
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Tarver Engineering wrote:
"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message
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Tarver Engineering wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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Who stands to gain from ATC privatization? Are there major

businesses


that do this now, and others that are quietly preparing to pick up

some


fat federal ATC contracts? Do these companies have any connection

to


the white house and friends?


It will be sold off to the airlines which makes a lot of sense. Sell a
national asset to companies that are struggling to either avoid or get

out


of bankruptcy. Maybe the White House think that putting ATC into their
balance sheets will give the airlines more strength.

An ATC responsive to common carriers has a very real apeal.

and to hell with GA too!


GA would not only get superior service, but $100,000,000 in the aviation
budget.



Can you name one country with private ATC where this is true?



These United States is where the money is offered and GA is valued.



Commercial aviation has far more money to spend than any GA operation
short of the Fortune 500 corporations. I agree that those with the
dough will get the service, but it won't be us who fly anything less
than 12,500 lbs.


Matt

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Old November 17th 03, 03:50 AM
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"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message
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Tarver Engineering wrote:
"Matthew S. Whiting" wrote in message
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Tarver Engineering wrote:

"Dave" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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Who stands to gain from ATC privatization? Are there major

businesses


that do this now, and others that are quietly preparing to pick up

some


fat federal ATC contracts? Do these companies have any connection

to


the white house and friends?


It will be sold off to the airlines which makes a lot of sense. Sell

a
national asset to companies that are struggling to either avoid or

get

out


of bankruptcy. Maybe the White House think that putting ATC into

their
balance sheets will give the airlines more strength.

An ATC responsive to common carriers has a very real apeal.

and to hell with GA too!


GA would not only get superior service, but $100,000,000 in the

aviation
budget.


Can you name one country with private ATC where this is true?


These United States is where the money is offered and GA is valued.


Commercial aviation has far more money to spend than any GA operation
short of the Fortune 500 corporations. I agree that those with the
dough will get the service, but it won't be us who fly anything less
than 12,500 lbs.


I believe small GA has value in R&D and maintaining Americans right to
travel. Without a change, what you can expect is for small GA to be frozen
out of some airports/regions.


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Old November 17th 03, 04:25 AM
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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Automation can be done, but concrete is not green.


New concrete is green.


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Old November 17th 03, 05:09 AM
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"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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Automation can be done, but concrete is not green.


New concrete is green.


Hmmm, you think you can sell that idea to the tree huggers?


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Old November 17th 03, 05:32 AM
Peter Gottlieb
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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Automation can be done, but concrete is not green.


New concrete is green.


Hmmm, you think you can sell that idea to the tree huggers?


You don't approve of trees?


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Old November 17th 03, 10:50 AM
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:10:13 -0800, "BTIZ"
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cheaper I might agree with... but safer??


Let's put it this way. If you had a very valuable package that just
had to get there, would you take it to the post office or to Fed Ex?

When you go through airport security, would you feel safer in Boston
(where the screeners are federal employees) or in Haifa (where they
are private)?


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Old November 17th 03, 11:28 AM
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Cub Driver wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 14:10:13 -0800, "BTIZ"
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cheaper I might agree with... but safer??



Let's put it this way. If you had a very valuable package that just
had to get there, would you take it to the post office or to Fed Ex?


Depends on how big a hurry I'm in. I've found the USPS as reliable as
either Fed Ex or UPS, just slower ... but much cheaper. I don't doubt
that a private ATC would be more efficient, but it wouldn't matter as
none of us could afford to fly privately any longer.


When you go through airport security, would you feel safer in Boston
(where the screeners are federal employees) or in Haifa (where they
are private)?


Haifa, but not because they are private, because they have LOTS more
experience.


Matt

 




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