Response to Harvey Swack

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:49:13 -0800, Ron Wanttaja
wrote:

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:09:59 -0500, Sliker wrote:

They did test the BD-5, but to what extent I'm not sure. I used to
work at the airline with a guy that flew Jim Bede's DC-3 for him.

I'm guessing that was Les Berven, who Juan mentions in his posting. Berven came
to talk to our EAA Chapter 15-20 years back. I remember him being very positive
of the performance and handling of the aircraft, but of course he spoke of the
many engine failures he'd suffered.

IIRC, the flight testing was being performed with an eye towards eventual
certification, and Berven made a lot of flights. As far as I remember, nothing
really stood in the way handling-wise, but of course a certain level of engine
reliability is expected!

I didn't see the letter in Sport Aviation, but it sounds like the writer is
Harvey Swack, the designer of the Baby Great Lakes. I'm guessing a small, slow
biplane is a lot more tolerant of builder error than a BD-5.

Sounds like I'll have to force myself past the Cirrus on the cover... :-)

Ron Wanttaja

No it wasn't Les, it was a guy named J.B.Williams.

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:57:53 GMT, "Steve Foley"
wrote:

"Ed Sullivan" wrote in message
.. .

I didn't see the letter in Sport Aviation, but it sounds like the writer
is
Harvey Swack, the designer of the Baby Great Lakes. I'm guessing a
small, slow
biplane is a lot more tolerant of builder error than a BD-5.

Sounds like I'll have to force myself past the Cirrus on the cover... :-)

Ron Wanttaja

Actually Harvey Swack didn't design the Baby Lakes, The late Barney
Oldfield did. Swack was just the peddler for the design.

I find it amazing that no flight testing was ever done on the Baby Great
Lakes. How could it, if this statement is true:

"I performed an extensive search on the Internet, and could not find
any similar documents for any aircraft designed by Mr. Swack, or any
aircraft associated with the name of Mr. Swack."

Flight testing was probably done by Mr. Swack who sold plans for it
and several variants designed by I know not who. I flew one for a
couple of years and it was a neat little bird. I think the plans are
sold now through aircraft spruce.

Ed Sullivan

wrote...
Thought you folks may be interested in the story. One could probably
say that the BD-5 had far more testing that just about any
experimental aircraft. And the testing was by real professional
engineering test pilots.


Dave,

Keep in mind, both the performance and the stability of the prop version of
the plane are much different then the jet version used in rhe Air Force
program.

Rich

Richard Isakson wrote:

wrote...
Thought you folks may be interested in the story. One could probably
say that the BD-5 had far more testing that just about any
experimental aircraft. And the testing was by real professional
engineering test pilots.


Dave,

Keep in mind, both the performance and the stability of the prop version of
the plane are much different then the jet version used in rhe Air Force
program.

Rich



However, both have very light stick pressure, nearly zero breakout force
and hardly any stick gradient (increasing stick pressure with increasing
G load).

Which is quite unlike the feel of Air Force inventory.

And can make the plane a handful for a ham handed pilot.

Richard

On Mar 3, 11:11 am, Anthony W wrote:
We won't believe a word you say on the subject until you have logged
some serious hours in the piece of crap you call a BD5j. Get that turd
off the ground and maybe you will gain a milligram of credibility.

Tony

Like many other minor ****ant dweebs in this newsgroup you appear to
be confusing me with someone who gives a flying intercourse what you
think. Trust me when I tell you you're barking up the wrong tree, boy.

Search the web for the name Les Berven. He flew over 1,000 hours on
the BD-5 flight test program, on both recip and jets. If you've ever
flown any airliners Boeing has produced since the 1970's, you have Les
Berven to thank for making sure the aircraft flies as it was designed
to. If you've ever been warned about wake turbulence on approach to a
runway, you have Les Berven to thank for that. And that's just for
starters.

"Berven test flew and certified every make of Boeing airliner since
the late 1970s, and made a name for himself pushing these aircraft to
their limits.While test flying the 777 in the mid-1990s, Berven once
performed 54 stall tests in a single day. In 1995, Berven helped
investigate the crash of a US Airways Boeing 737 near Pittsburgh. A
wake vortex was suspected, and to test the theory Berven flew a 737
into wake vortices over 200 times."

Sit your diapered butt down and STFU, sonny.

Juan

flybd5 wrote:
On Mar 3, 11:11 am, Anthony W wrote:
We won't believe a word you say on the subject until you have logged
some serious hours in the piece of crap you call a BD5j. Get that turd
off the ground and maybe you will gain a milligram of credibility.

Tony

Like many other minor ****ant dweebs in this newsgroup you appear to
be confusing me with someone who gives a flying intercourse what you
think. Trust me when I tell you you're barking up the wrong tree, boy.

Juan

Nope you still haven't got that turd off the ground.

"sean trost" wrote

HEY Jaun's Back !

Tue, and just like a hemorrhoid.

A pain in the butt.
--
Jim in NC

"flybd5" wrote in message
...

Trust me when I tell you ...............................

Can you name a single reason why I should trust you?

I cannot.