Senior Pilot and Command pilot ratings

"Mike Marron" wrote in message
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Jim Thomas wrote:

To all:

You know, after reading most of this stuff about who did more, or who
was best, or whether fighter jocks were better than multi-engine pukes,
I got these thoughts:

Most of my USAF and subsequent contractor flying career was in single
place aircraft (or trainers with me in the back seat). I always thought
that this was the easy job. I didn't have to coordinate my decisions
with anyone else in my aircraft (I never flew an aircraft with a WSO).
My decision was final. I was in total control of the situation. I lived
or died on my call, and (except for instructing, or in formation) didn't
have to worry about anyone's ass but mine.

I believe that, because of the USAF selection process, the best pilots
mostly get assigned to fighters. That's a good thing. But I'll tell you
what: I have nothing but respect for the many-engine guys (and gals) who
have to put up with crew coordination and whatever else makes good
things happen to big airplanes. This is a big job.

I don't understand their job. But my hat is off to them.

Jim Thomas

Some of my of former CFI buds are now airline pukes so there's
nothing mysterious about their jobs as far as I'm concerned. All
you need is a squeaky clean "Boy Scout" background and impress
some personnel weenie during the initial interview and eat a lot of
crow so as to "fit in" and you're set for life (as long as you don't
get furloughed while the whining crybabies in the pilot union
negotiate yet another undeserved pay increase). Aptitude isn't
important -- a brown-nosin' attitude is.

Just coat your head with mazola and go on in.

I worked with some Ryan Airlines pilots who made a cock sucking pantomine to
indicate pilot/management interaction.

Ed Rasimus wrote:
Gord Beaman wrote:

Catch some clues mister.

Let me offer one of the clues that I've gleaned. I spent four times as
many hours in a multi-place tactical aircraft as I did in a
single-seater. I spent half again as many hours in combat in a two-man
airplane as I did alone. I logged ten time as many hours in two seat
airplanes as I did by myself.

During that time, I was dependent upon the other crew-member, just as
he was dependent upon me. We coordinated, you might even say we
"managed" the crew duties.

But, we didn't go through the "mother may I" routine that I described
in the excerpt. We were "standardized" for sure, but we weren't
ritualized.

C'mon Ed, don't be so coy. You know full well that nose-gunners
could fare quite happily w/o the GIB:

F-101B BEFORE LANDING CHECKLIST (RIO TO PILOT)

Prior to Entering Traffic Pattern

1) Zero delay lanyard -- CHECK ATTACHED (CALL)
2) Fuel quantity -- CHECK & ON -- No. 2 (CALL)
3) Armament safety check -- COMPLETE (CALL)
4) Hydraulic pressure -- WITHIN LIMITS (CALL)
5) MCSL engage switch -- OFF (CALL)
6) Pusher switch -- OFF (CALL)
7) AFCS engage switch -- STAND-BY (CALL)
8) Safety belt and harness -- SECURE (CALL)
9) Radar master switch -- AS REQUIRED (RIO)



-Mike (here's my standard brief: Get on, Strap in, Hold Tight) Marron

"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
"Gord Beaman"wrote:

"Phineas Pinkham" wrote:

The children have been allowed to stay up too late again.

Jealousy has reared it's ugly head.


More like 'lack of knowledge by fighter jocks' has reared it's
ugly head I'd say...

It's quite amazing to me that a supposedly intelligent pilot like
Ed would show his bare ass so badly in public .

There's an image that makes even the brave quake.


Cut me a bit of slack please.


Ed Rasimus

Did we hurt the tender feelings of our local expert on everything?

Subject: Senior Pilot and Command pilot ratings
From: "Phineas Pinkham"
Date: 9/6/03 8:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:


"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
"Gord Beaman"wrote:

"Phineas Pinkham" wrote:

The children have been allowed to stay up too late again.

Jealousy has reared it's ugly head.


More like 'lack of knowledge by fighter jocks' has reared it's
ugly head I'd say...

It's quite amazing to me that a supposedly intelligent pilot like
Ed would show his bare ass so badly in public .

There's an image that makes even the brave quake.


Cut me a bit of slack please.


Ed Rasimus

Did we hurt the tender feelings of our local expert on everything?




Unless you flew more missions than Ed did, shut your stupid face.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Mike Marron wrote:

Ed Rasimus wrote:
But, we didn't go through the "mother may I" routine that I described
in the excerpt. We were "standardized" for sure, but we weren't
ritualized.

C'mon Ed, don't be so coy. You know full well that nose-gunners
could fare quite happily w/o the GIB:

Those who flew the F-4 that indicate that they could have been happier
with an extra 200 pounds of fuel in place of the WSO are in the
distinct minority. A good GIB was worth more than his weight in gold.

F-101B BEFORE LANDING CHECKLIST (RIO TO PILOT)


While that may be what the dog-earred yellow pages say, it wasn't what
went on in the airplane, not even when riding with a stan/eval type.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (ret)
***"When Thunder Rolled:
*** An F-105 Pilot Over N. Vietnam"
*** from Smithsonian Books
ISBN: 1588341038

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
Unless you flew more missions than Ed did, shut your stupid face.

"Bite me!"

Phineas Pinkham wrote:
"ArtKramr" wrote in message
Unless you flew more missions than Ed did, shut your stupid face.

"Bite me!"



Now ladies... be nice.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN


http://www.mortimerschnerd.com

I believe that, because of the USAF selection process, the best pilots
mostly get assigned to fighters.

Depends. from 1987 (I think?) until 1997, UPT grads picked their own
assignments. I watched the #1 guy in a class take a C-20. In addition, from
1990-1994 there was the dreaded "banked pilot". Literally hundereds of
guys/gals got "banked" fighter assignments when they finished at the bottom of
their class, because top grads were taking the immediate flying jobs, which
often included bombers and heavies. Now, the requalification process weeded out
many of these "lower grad" fighter pilots, but not all.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

"BUFDRVR" wrote

... I watched the #1 guy in a class take a C-20.

Smart man. His Pa probably told him about the "cattle" regimes of
SAC alert, and TAC mobility, and he was smart to pick an organization
that knows how to treat aircrew like mature adult men: MAC

Subject: Senior Pilot and Command pilot ratings
From: "Gene Storey"
Date: 9/6/03 11:38 AM Pacific

he was smart to pick an organization
that knows how to treat aircrew like mature adult men: MAC

Our aircrew averaged 19 years old. (grin)


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer