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Mild Aerobatics
During primary training, many moons ago, I was growing frustrated with the
sedate nature of our flying, so I asked my flight instructor (Bob -- a guy with 20K hours in every known flying machine) when we were going to get to the "fun stuff"? He didn't know what I was talking about, so I told him I wanted to see what these things could actually *do*... At which point he smiled that crooked smile of his, and proceeded to do a wing-over with a recovery out the bottom, going the opposite direction! I was whooping and hollering for more, but he just went back to our lesson for the day.... Nowadays, Mary and I are very cautious in our Pathfinder, rarely exceeding 45 degree banks, and never pulling more than mild G turns. Mary hates steep banks (except in a Super Decathlon -- then all bets are off!), and the most rambunctious thing we ever do are "Up-Downs" (as the kids call them), which is a firm pull up with a steady push-over at the top that induces negative Gs in the back seat. Just curious -- what do you guys do with your spam cans? I've seen video from inside a Cessna that shows a guy doing some pretty radical maneuvers, but in real life what's the most you push your aircraft? -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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My airplanes say that "no aerobatic manuevers, including spins, are
approved" so I don't do any aerobatic maneuvers or spins. Mike MU-2 "Jay Honeck" wrote in message news_JKe.239722$x96.59507@attbi_s72... During primary training, many moons ago, I was growing frustrated with the sedate nature of our flying, so I asked my flight instructor (Bob -- a guy with 20K hours in every known flying machine) when we were going to get to the "fun stuff"? He didn't know what I was talking about, so I told him I wanted to see what these things could actually *do*... At which point he smiled that crooked smile of his, and proceeded to do a wing-over with a recovery out the bottom, going the opposite direction! I was whooping and hollering for more, but he just went back to our lesson for the day.... Nowadays, Mary and I are very cautious in our Pathfinder, rarely exceeding 45 degree banks, and never pulling more than mild G turns. Mary hates steep banks (except in a Super Decathlon -- then all bets are off!), and the most rambunctious thing we ever do are "Up-Downs" (as the kids call them), which is a firm pull up with a steady push-over at the top that induces negative Gs in the back seat. Just curious -- what do you guys do with your spam cans? I've seen video from inside a Cessna that shows a guy doing some pretty radical maneuvers, but in real life what's the most you push your aircraft? -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Steep turns here and there, and definitely the "tummy hills", which is
what "my" kids call them... ;-) I'd like to break away and get the aerobatic endorsement at some point. If for nothing else, to really know how to recover from some "truly" unusual attitudes! Best Regards, Todd |
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Hi Jay;
I realize that you are offering this question in the context of a "normal" flight situation for the average safe pilot flying an average GA light airplane safely, and considering that, I would say the following. There are pilots out here who will "push" their normal/utility category GA airplanes and those who won't. The smart ones don't "push" their airplanes at all. The reason for this is that there are two factors involved. You have a POH that offers you figures to follow that define your flight envelope, then you have the reality involved with an aging airplane. Considering both factors, it's simply smart flying to keep the "excursions" from normal flight to an absolute minimum. This is not to say that the airplane will fall apart on you if you do a little "not straight and level" flying with it, but it does say that doing this in aging airplanes can increase that aging process somewhat. My advice as an aerobatic instructor to pilots flying light GA airplanes in the normal category is simply to use their heads and don't stray too far into "working" the airplane. I always use a favorite analogy of mine when answering on this issue when asked. G........any g...on an airplane is cumulative. It can add up on you. If someone gently poked their finger into your arm it wouldn't hurt very much the first time they did it; but if they poked that finger into your arm at exactly the same spot a hundred times in a row, that last time could hurt a bunch :-))) Bottom line for GA pilots wanting to "play" a bit..........fly the book....and as the airplane ages.........ease off the airplane even a bit more. Go rent the Decathlon and have some fun!!!! Dudley "Jay Honeck" wrote in message news_JKe.239722$x96.59507@attbi_s72... During primary training, many moons ago, I was growing frustrated with the sedate nature of our flying, so I asked my flight instructor (Bob -- a guy with 20K hours in every known flying machine) when we were going to get to the "fun stuff"? He didn't know what I was talking about, so I told him I wanted to see what these things could actually *do*... At which point he smiled that crooked smile of his, and proceeded to do a wing-over with a recovery out the bottom, going the opposite direction! I was whooping and hollering for more, but he just went back to our lesson for the day.... Nowadays, Mary and I are very cautious in our Pathfinder, rarely exceeding 45 degree banks, and never pulling more than mild G turns. Mary hates steep banks (except in a Super Decathlon -- then all bets are off!), and the most rambunctious thing we ever do are "Up-Downs" (as the kids call them), which is a firm pull up with a steady push-over at the top that induces negative Gs in the back seat. Just curious -- what do you guys do with your spam cans? I've seen video from inside a Cessna that shows a guy doing some pretty radical maneuvers, but in real life what's the most you push your aircraft? -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Well it wasn't for fun, but while flying with my old instructor a
couple years ago on a night x-country he suddenly grabbed the controls from me, rolled into a 45 degree bank, and pushed the nose down HARD to avoid what appeared to be an imminent head-on mid-air. Definitely took a flight within the plane for a couple of seconds during that maneuver, but we cleared the traffic with no problem. (It probably wasn't all that close actually, but when you see red on right, a white light, and no movement, you get the hell outta the way). -- Guy Elden Jr. |
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Jay Honeck wrote:
Just curious -- what do you guys do with your spam cans? I've seen video from inside a Cessna that shows a guy doing some pretty radical maneuvers, but in real life what's the most you push your aircraft? Chandelles in the C-172 and PA-28R-201. I've spun C-150s / 152s / 172s. I've crashed C-210 / PA323R-300. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN VE |
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Steep banks are about it. More than anything I practice the normal
"precision" maneuvers, practicing smoothness and fluidity. The commercial maneuvers really aren't aerobatics, but I practice them just to see how bad I can screw up a Lazy 8. Chandelles are fun and take some work to do correctly, mostly a planning maneuver. Nick and I went out for a bit last night, he wanted to fly over the house so I did some clearing turns and a few 60 degree banks. He thought it was cool. That big ole Aztec just rolls into and out of those banks sooooo sweet, and with just the right touch on the throttles holds the altitude perfectly. I have seen some amazing things done with Aztecs though, nothing I'd ever recommend or try, especially in a twin. There is a company in ND that uses them for crop dusting (more government contract bug work than anything) really some cranking and banking. Jim |
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My plane is 54 years old. Other than the occaisonal 2 G turn, I don't do
anything vaguely aerobatic with it. Heck, I'm somewhat embarrased that I can't even remember the last time I did an accellerated stall in it. Not that knowing how to do some simple maneuvers isn't useful. My primary flight instructer was once rolled 150 degrees or so due to wake turbulence. Even though he was at about a thousand feet, he had the sense enough to contine the roll all the way around. Don't know if I would have been so quick witted. -- Frank Stutzman Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl" Hood River, OR |
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Why not practice some of the commercial pilot maneuvers? Lazy eights are
nowhere near aerobatics but they will make you be precise. Eights on pylons will get you comfortable with steep banks near the ground. Rod Just curious -- what do you guys do with your spam cans? I've seen video from inside a Cessna that shows a guy doing some pretty radical maneuvers, but in real life what's the most you push your aircraft? -- |
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Well, my favorite eye-opener for select passengers is a lazy eight.
It's a non-aerobatic manuever but it looks and feels like one to the unitiated - especially when done sloppily. A turn in a lazy eight feels like a wing-over and is probably quite close to what Bob did. I'm not sure of the technical description for a wingover but if you keep the pitch and bank under 45 I guess it's technically non-acro(?). You don't even have to get close to those figures to get the desired effect. I've had the benefit of formal acro training (gliders) and lot's of informal practice (gliders). Stall turns and wingovers (whatever they are) can get dangerous so it's nothing to play with without instruction. But non-acro 'wingovers' and lazy eights are easy and fun as long as know where the limits are. Now if I can just get my hands on that clown that snapped a C150 on me during my pre-solo.... Jay Honeck wrote: During primary training, many moons ago, I was growing frustrated with the sedate nature of our flying, so I asked my flight instructor (Bob -- a guy with 20K hours in every known flying machine) when we were going to get to the "fun stuff"? He didn't know what I was talking about, so I told him I wanted to see what these things could actually *do*... At which point he smiled that crooked smile of his, and proceeded to do a wing-over with a recovery out the bottom, going the opposite direction! I was whooping and hollering for more, but he just went back to our lesson for the day.... Nowadays, Mary and I are very cautious in our Pathfinder, rarely exceeding 45 degree banks, and never pulling more than mild G turns. Mary hates steep banks (except in a Super Decathlon -- then all bets are off!), and the most rambunctious thing we ever do are "Up-Downs" (as the kids call them), which is a firm pull up with a steady push-over at the top that induces negative Gs in the back seat. Just curious -- what do you guys do with your spam cans? I've seen video from inside a Cessna that shows a guy doing some pretty radical maneuvers, but in real life what's the most you push your aircraft? |
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