Tail Wheels & Tail Booms snapp'n

On Nov 20, 5:32*pm, Dave Nadler wrote:
Guys - Tail up prevents catching on rough ground
and reduces side-load on tailboom if in crops.
Tail up if you start to groundloop !
See ya, Dave

I have to disagree here as far as suggesting some technique thet is
planned.
Tail up almost ensures a ground loop.
Tail down reduces the likelyhood of a groundloop substantially.
Very few ground loops occur as a planned event(the "I'm running out of
field" event). The strong majority are surprises caused by catch a
wing.
I most cases, the lower energy in the event that come from a slow held
off landing significantly reduces the likelyhood of a fuselage
breaking event.
If you lose it, you don't have much time to try to raise the tail.
Just squeeze the brake hard and hope for the best.
Another opinion FWIW.
UH

Sorry if I wasn't clear:
Tail up AFTER ground-loop starts or is inevitable,
not first. There's plenty of time to respond.
This is *after* a fully held off tail-first landing.
Seen it done multiple times ;-)
Do wish I had a video of the 22 going around.

PS: Most of these guys have Tost brakes so
squeezing won't do anything...

On Nov 21, 6:14*pm, Dave Nadler wrote:
Sorry if I wasn't clear:
Tail up AFTER ground-loop starts or is inevitable,
not first. There's plenty of time to respond.
This is *after* a fully held off tail-first landing.
Seen it done multiple times ;-)
Do wish I had a video of the 22 going around.

PS: Most of these guys have Tost brakes so
squeezing won't do anything...

The most important reason for forward stick in a ground loop is not to
save the tail boom, as it will come crashing down at the termination
of the event anyway. Keeping the nose buried helps prevent an inverted
wingover as the wing accelerating forward develops enough lift to turn
the ship upside down. This can be fatal and almost was to Joe Conn at
Chester, SC in his ASW-17 many years ago.

And, further to the subject, all pilots should know how to execute an
intentional ground loop should they be faced with the need (fence,
road, embankment, etc.) Stick full forward, wing down, full rudder in
direction of down wing. This is part of German gliding instruction.
Should be here as well.