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Circle to Land @ KRBG
The FAA will establish controlled airspace as part of the
authorization of an IAP. The FAA must have control of airspace in order to issue a clearance, Class G does not meet that requirement. We seem to have a problem, my experience is just what I've said... 8,000 hours;FAR 141 former chief flight instructor, FAR 135 Director of Operations, single-pilot IFR in all models King Air 90 ,200 and 300 and other ASEL/AMEL Beech aircraft. Gold Seal CFI ASMEI. No violations. What do you have? What do you think I'm fibbing about? -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P -- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. some support http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties. "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net... | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | news:BNv%f.3146$8q.678@dukeread08... | | Yes, and I will stand by the statement, there are no IAP in | Class G, by definition of the airspace. There are IAP that | penetrate Class G at 1200 or 700 ft AGL. | | | There is nothing in the definition of Class G airspace that prevents having | IAPs in it. You cannot stand by your previous statement, "There are no | instrument approaches in Class G" airspace, and now acknowledge that there | are instrument approaches in Class G airspace. | | Your knowledge level is far below what would be expected from someone with | the experience and ratings you claim to have. I think you're a fibber. | | |
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Circle to Land @ KRBG
"Jim Macklin" wrote in message news:4Tv%f.3147$8q.416@dukeread08... You can always request a contact approach and fly any altitude and path including the normal VFR pattern and still be "on an IFR clearance." Well, you can always request a contact approach, but you can't always get one. Clearance for a contact approach requires a reported ground visibility of at least one mile. Not all airports have weather reporting. If you are working for an operator who does not allow cancellation of IFR, then it is up to the PIC to determine the method required to comply with IAP and VFR traffic pattern. Compliance with the "VFR traffic pattern" is not required in this case. Review the regulation, before you get to " make all turns of that airplane to the left", you have "unless otherwise authorized or required." If you're on the VOR-A and intend to land on runway 16 compliance with the restriction on circling east of the runway will require turns to the right |
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Circle to Land @ KRBG
"Jim Macklin" wrote in message news:Wmx%f.3160$8q.947@dukeread08... If the weather was as good as you say, there is no prohibition on operating under IFR and VFR at the same time, the approach clearance is a clearance to operate in the protected airspace, How would one operate IFR and VFR at the same time on this approach? just follow the IFR rules while in IMC and when in VMC, fly safely. It's a good idea to fly safely when in IMC as well. |
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Circle to Land @ KRBG
5-4-24. Contact Approach
a. Pilots operating in accordance with an IFR flight plan, provided they are clear of clouds and have at least 1 mile flight visibility and can reasonably expect to continue to the destination airport in those conditions, may request ATC authorization for a contact approach. b. Controllers may authorize a contact approach provided: 1. The contact approach is specifically requested by the pilot. ATC cannot initiate this approach. EXAMPLE- Request contact approach. 2. The reported ground visibility at the destination airport is at least 1 statute mile. 3. The contact approach will be made to an airport having a standard or special instrument approach procedure. 4. Approved separation is applied between aircraft so cleared and between these aircraft and other IFR or special VFR aircraft. EXAMPLE- Cleared contact approach (and, if required) at or below (altitude) (routing) if not possible (alternative procedures) and advise. c. A contact approach is an approach procedure that may be used by a pilot (with prior authorization from ATC) in lieu of conducting a standard or special IAP to an airport. It is not intended for use by a pilot on an IFR flight clearance to operate to an airport not having a published and functioning IAP. Nor is it intended for an aircraft to conduct an instrument approach to one airport and then, when "in the clear," discontinue that approach and proceed to another airport. In the execution of a contact approach, the pilot assumes the responsibility for obstruction clearance. If radar service is being received, it will automatically terminate when the pilot is instructed to change to advisory frequency. Note that FLIGHT VISIBILITY of ONE MILE is required and the pilot determines flught visibility. -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P -- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. some support http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties. "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message nk.net... | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | news:4Tv%f.3147$8q.416@dukeread08... | | You can always request a contact approach and fly any | altitude and path including the normal VFR pattern and still | be "on an IFR clearance." | | | Well, you can always request a contact approach, but you can't always get | one. Clearance for a contact approach requires a reported ground visibility | of at least one mile. Not all airports have weather reporting. | | | | If you are working for an | operator who does not allow cancellation of IFR, then it is | up to the PIC to determine the method required to comply | with IAP and VFR traffic pattern. | | | Compliance with the "VFR traffic pattern" is not required in this case. | Review the regulation, before you get to " make all turns of that airplane | to the left", you have "unless otherwise authorized or required." If you're | on the VOR-A and intend to land on runway 16 compliance with the restriction | on circling east of the runway will require turns to the right | | |
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Circle to Land @ KRBG
The same way you always follow the rules, IFR lets you fly
into and near clouds and when under IFR in VMC you also follow the see and avoid rules of VFR. I must ask, are you having a reaction to your medication? -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P -- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. some support http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties. "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net... | | "Jim Macklin" wrote in message | news:Wmx%f.3160$8q.947@dukeread08... | | If the weather was as good as you say, there is no | prohibition on operating under IFR and VFR at the same time, | the approach clearance is a clearance to operate in the | protected airspace, | | | How would one operate IFR and VFR at the same time on this approach? | | | | just follow the IFR rules while in IMC | and when in VMC, fly safely. | | | It's a good idea to fly safely when in IMC as well. | | |
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Circle to Land @ KRBG
"Jim Macklin" wrote in message news:zVz%f.3168$8q.1032@dukeread08... 5-4-24. Contact Approach a. Pilots operating in accordance with an IFR flight plan, provided they are clear of clouds and have at least 1 mile flight visibility and can reasonably expect to continue to the destination airport in those conditions, may request ATC authorization for a contact approach. b. Controllers may authorize a contact approach provided: 1. The contact approach is specifically requested by the pilot. ATC cannot initiate this approach. EXAMPLE- Request contact approach. 2. The reported ground visibility at the destination airport is at least 1 statute mile. 3. The contact approach will be made to an airport having a standard or special instrument approach procedure. 4. Approved separation is applied between aircraft so cleared and between these aircraft and other IFR or special VFR aircraft. EXAMPLE- Cleared contact approach (and, if required) at or below (altitude) (routing) if not possible (alternative procedures) and advise. c. A contact approach is an approach procedure that may be used by a pilot (with prior authorization from ATC) in lieu of conducting a standard or special IAP to an airport. It is not intended for use by a pilot on an IFR flight clearance to operate to an airport not having a published and functioning IAP. Nor is it intended for an aircraft to conduct an instrument approach to one airport and then, when "in the clear," discontinue that approach and proceed to another airport. In the execution of a contact approach, the pilot assumes the responsibility for obstruction clearance. If radar service is being received, it will automatically terminate when the pilot is instructed to change to advisory frequency. Note that FLIGHT VISIBILITY of ONE MILE is required and the pilot determines flught visibility. See 5-4-24.b.2. above. Note that the reported ground visibility at the destination airport must be at least 1 statute mile in order for ATC to issue a clearance for a contact approach. Note also that actually reading what you intend to post prior to posting it can help you to appear less stupid. How is it that someone with the ratings and experience you claim to possess was not aware a contact approach required a reported ground visibility of a mile or more? |
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Circle to Land @ KRBG
"Jim Macklin" wrote in message news:Y1A%f.3169$8q.1299@dukeread08... The same way you always follow the rules, IFR lets you fly into and near clouds and when under IFR in VMC you also follow the see and avoid rules of VFR. "See and avoid" is not a VFR rule. "See and avoid" comes from FAR 91.113(b), you'll find it among the General rules of Part 91 Subpart B, FARs 91.101 through 91.149. You'll find Visual Flight Rules, FARs 91.151 through 91.165, immediately after them. How is it that someone with the ratings and experience you claim to possess doesn't have a better understanding of Part 91? I must ask, are you having a reaction to your medication? Nope, I'm feeling exceptionally good today! I must ask, are you related to Norm Melick? |
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Circle to Land @ KRBG
How would one operate IFR and VFR at the same time on this approach?
You would follow IFR (Instrument flight rules) and VFR (visual flight rules) at the same time. VFR is primarily see and avoid. If you are in VMC, you must see and avoid. To follow IFR and VFR at the same time is more restrictive than to simply follow IFR and disregard VFR, which you can do when you are IMC. Jose -- The price of freedom is... well... freedom. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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Circle to Land @ KRBG
"Jose" wrote in message
om... How would one operate IFR and VFR at the same time on this approach? You would follow IFR (Instrument flight rules) and VFR (visual flight rules) at the same time. VFR is primarily see and avoid. If you are in VMC, you must see and avoid. But see-and-avoid isn't specifically a VFR requirement. In fact, 91.113b says explicitly, "When weather conditions permit, *regardless of whether an operation is conducted under IFR or VFR*, vigilance shall be maintained by each person operating an aircraft so as to see and avoid other aircraft" (emphasis added). So seeing and avoiding during an instrument approach does not amount to some sort of IFR-VFR hybrid. Rather, it is just IFR. --Gary |
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Circle to Land @ KRBG
"Jose" wrote in message om... You would follow IFR (Instrument flight rules) and VFR (visual flight rules) at the same time. VFR is primarily see and avoid. If you are in VMC, you must see and avoid. How is that following IFR (Instrument flight rules) and VFR (visual flight rules) at the same time? "See and avoid" is not a VFR rule. "See and avoid" comes from FAR 91.113(b), you'll find it among the General rules of Part 91 Subpart B, FARs 91.101 through 91.149. You'll find Visual Flight Rules, FARs 91.151 through 91.165, immediately after them. |
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