USA - All students must show "papers"

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/regulatory/regtsa.html

Beginning October 20, 2004, all pilots wishing to recieve instruction
- including a BFR, must show proff of US citizenship to the
instructor. Very scary.

I have heard from a reliable source that if a CFI allows a passenger
to touch the controls, that is considered instruction in the TSA's
eyes.

The instructor must see a document such as an ORIGINAL naturalization
certificate and keep a copy for 5 years. Yet on my certificate it
says it is illegal to copy it.

I called SSA today regarding another subject and also asked about
this. The office person I talked to knew nothing. And of course the
SSA website is also mute on this. Dennis was unfortunately on another
call, so I didn't get a chance to ask him.

Tom Serkowski
ASH-26E (5Z)

So I take it no visitors to the US can get any instruction? Has that killed
all the flight schools offering cheaper flight training for European pilots?

What about visiting pilots wanting a checkride before taking a club or FBO
ship?

Talk about overkill!

Ian


"Tom Serkowski" wrote in message
m...
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/regulatory/regtsa.html

Beginning October 20, 2004, all pilots wishing to recieve instruction
- including a BFR, must show proff of US citizenship to the
instructor. Very scary.

I have heard from a reliable source that if a CFI allows a passenger
to touch the controls, that is considered instruction in the TSA's
eyes.

The instructor must see a document such as an ORIGINAL naturalization
certificate and keep a copy for 5 years. Yet on my certificate it
says it is illegal to copy it.

I called SSA today regarding another subject and also asked about
this. The office person I talked to knew nothing. And of course the
SSA website is also mute on this. Dennis was unfortunately on another
call, so I didn't get a chance to ask him.

Tom Serkowski
ASH-26E (5Z)

How does Boeing get a non-US citizen to check out on say a new 777? Do they
have to do it outside the borders of the US or do they teach 'em in a sim
and let 'em loose on the real thing straight away?

:-J

Ian


"tango4" wrote in message
...
So I take it no visitors to the US can get any instruction? Has that
killed all the flight schools offering cheaper flight training for
European pilots?

What about visiting pilots wanting a checkride before taking a club or FBO
ship?

Talk about overkill!

Ian


"Tom Serkowski" wrote in message
m...
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/regulatory/regtsa.html

Beginning October 20, 2004, all pilots wishing to recieve instruction
- including a BFR, must show proff of US citizenship to the
instructor. Very scary.

I have heard from a reliable source that if a CFI allows a passenger
to touch the controls, that is considered instruction in the TSA's
eyes.

The instructor must see a document such as an ORIGINAL naturalization
certificate and keep a copy for 5 years. Yet on my certificate it
says it is illegal to copy it.

I called SSA today regarding another subject and also asked about
this. The office person I talked to knew nothing. And of course the
SSA website is also mute on this. Dennis was unfortunately on another
call, so I didn't get a chance to ask him.

Tom Serkowski
ASH-26E (5Z)

"Tom Serkowski" wrote in message
m...
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/regulatory/regtsa.html

Beginning October 20, 2004, all pilots wishing to recieve instruction
- including a BFR, must show proff of US citizenship to the
instructor. Very scary.

I have heard from a reliable source that if a CFI allows a passenger
to touch the controls, that is considered instruction in the TSA's
eyes.

The instructor must see a document such as an ORIGINAL naturalization
certificate and keep a copy for 5 years. Yet on my certificate it
says it is illegal to copy it.

I called SSA today regarding another subject and also asked about
this. The office person I talked to knew nothing. And of course the
SSA website is also mute on this. Dennis was unfortunately on another
call, so I didn't get a chance to ask him.

Tom Serkowski
ASH-26E (5Z)
It also appears encompass some fees I gather, for each type. Furthermore it
appears all employees (paid or not, to include club members providing
volunteer services) will need recurring security training. It was suggested
some months ago that clubs/operations appoint a security contact and run an
audit.

You could write your elected reps about the implications (or lack of
necessity WRT soaring). Ask if they think this will be as effective as
stopping truck-bombs.

Frank Whiteley

tango4 wrote:

How does Boeing get a non-US citizen to check out on say a new 777?

This is no issue, as everybody is buying Airbus planes anyway. :-)

Stefan

Tom-

Dave C. at Mile-Hi said an existing license counts...I
just called him.



At 18:00 08 October 2004, Tango4 wrote:
How does Boeing get a non-US citizen to check out on
say a new 777? Do they
have to do it outside the borders of the US or do they
teach 'em in a sim
and let 'em loose on the real thing straight away?

:-J

Ian


'tango4' wrote in message
...
So I take it no visitors to the US can get any instruction?
Has that
killed all the flight schools offering cheaper flight
training for
European pilots?

What about visiting pilots wanting a checkride before
taking a club or FBO
ship?

Talk about overkill!

Ian


'Tom Serkowski' wrote in message
m...
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/regulatory/regtsa.html

Beginning October 20, 2004, all pilots wishing to
recieve instruction
- including a BFR, must show proff of US citizenship
to the
instructor. Very scary.

I have heard from a reliable source that if a CFI
allows a passenger
to touch the controls, that is considered instruction
in the TSA's
eyes.

The instructor must see a document such as an ORIGINAL
naturalization
certificate and keep a copy for 5 years. Yet on my
certificate it
says it is illegal to copy it.

I called SSA today regarding another subject and also
asked about
this. The office person I talked to knew nothing.
And of course the
SSA website is also mute on this. Dennis was unfortunately
on another
call, so I didn't get a chance to ask him.

Tom Serkowski
ASH-26E (5Z)

It just needs an addition to

America Land of the Free -- if you can afford it.

All the paperwork and a $130dollar alien fee seems
to put the stop on the odd flight when visiting the
country for a holiday

Dave

F.L. Whiteley wrote:
"Tom Serkowski" wrote in message
m...

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/regulatory/regtsa.html

Beginning October 20, 2004, all pilots wishing to recieve instruction
- including a BFR, must show proff of US citizenship to the
instructor. Very scary.

I have heard from a reliable source that if a CFI allows a passenger
to touch the controls, that is considered instruction in the TSA's
eyes.

The instructor must see a document such as an ORIGINAL naturalization
certificate and keep a copy for 5 years. Yet on my certificate it
says it is illegal to copy it.

I called SSA today regarding another subject and also asked about
this. The office person I talked to knew nothing. And of course the
SSA website is also mute on this. Dennis was unfortunately on another
call, so I didn't get a chance to ask him.

Tom Serkowski
ASH-26E (5Z)

It also appears encompass some fees I gather, for each type. Furthermore it
appears all employees (paid or not, to include club members providing
volunteer services) will need recurring security training. It was suggested
some months ago that clubs/operations appoint a security contact and run an
audit.

You could write your elected reps about the implications (or lack of
necessity WRT soaring). Ask if they think this will be as effective as
stopping truck-bombs.

I suppose all this sound and fury is to distract attention from the
woefully lax security around container ships.

Shawn

"Stefan" wrote in message
...
tango4 wrote:

How does Boeing get a non-US citizen to check out on say a new 777?

This is no issue, as everybody is buying Airbus planes anyway. :-)

Stefan

Yes, thanks for contributing your tax euros to our tax dollars to allow
airlines such as Northwest to buy these with their government post 9/11
handout.

I particularly like the non-reclining seat (1-2") so that the passenger
behind me doesn't have the view of the TV made awkward. Hopefully one day
there will be more than QVC and other basic cable channels on offer.
Frontier has painted talking animal heads on their fleet of 319's.

Anyway, 500 Boeing design engineers are now located in Moscow, Russia and
the 7E7 wings will be built in Japan. Boeing employees are not even allowed
to take pictures of the production of Boeing wings, the technology was so
highly guarded. But then, Boeing is not what it used to be either.

Frank Whiteley

I suppose all this sound and fury is to distract attention from the
woefully lax security around container ships.

That, and much more. I've heard the current state of affairs called
"security theater" - the pretense of adding security while, in fact,
accomplishing nothing.

If the current rules *must* be implemented. Certainly glider and balloon
training could be exempted. I mean, I can just see one of Osama's
colleagues showing up at my club..... not!

Tony V.