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Default Shots supposedly fired at Israelis by Syrians in Golan Heights:

Shots supposedly fired at Israelis by Syrians in Golan Heights:



Press TV via streaming video (TV icon) link at top of www.presstv.com
reporting that shots supposedly fired at Israelis by Syrians in Golan
Heights on Sunday. How convenient as such would be right in accordance
with the 'A Clean Break' agenda that the Iraq quagmire was based on
(can access the 'A Clean Break' link on the upper right side of
http://NEOCONZIONISTTHREAT.COM ).


Shots supposedly fired at Israelis by Syrians in Golan Heights:



Press TV via streaming video (TV icon) link at top of www.presstv.com
reporting that shots supposedly fired at Israelis by Syrians in Golan
Heights on Sunday. How convenient as such would be right in accordance
with the 'A Clean Break' agenda that the Iraq quagmire was based on
(can access the 'A Clean Break' link on the upper right side of
http://NEOCONZIONISTTHREAT.COM ).


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Subject: Congress' Gaza Resolution Illustrates Power of the Israel
Lobby

Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 7:01 AM


Congress' Gaza Resolution Illustrates Power of the Israel Lobby
Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:11 AM
From:
"Stephen Sniegoski"
To:
"Sniegoski, Stephen"

Congress’ Gaza Resolution Illustrates Power of the Israel Lobby

Friends,

According to the critics, John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt,
in their “The Israel Lobby,” much exaggerated the power of the lobby.
The critics claimed that congressional support for Israel simply
reflected the views of the American people. Congress’ recent
resolution on Gaza, however, would seem to belie this criticism and
underscore the immense power of the Israel Lobby. Congress almost
unanimously endorsed the Israeli mass killing of civilians in the Gaza
Strip, which, of course, involves the use of American weapons. By
voice vote, the Senate gave unanimous support for the resolution. The
House of Representatives voted 390 for the resolution with only 5
against [Kucinich, Moore (WI), Paul, Rahall, Waters]

The view of the American public, however, was significantly
different. As the following article points out, the American people
“do not support this senseless slaughter in anything near overwhelming
numbers.” [Quoting from a Rasmussen Poll]

“Americans, while far more sympathetic to Israel than the
Palestinians, are closely divided over whether the Jewish state should
be taking military action against militants in the Gaza Strip. Forty-
four percent (44%) say Israel should have taken military action
against the Palestinians, but 41% say it should have tried to find a
diplomatic solution to the problems there...”

[Source: Rasmussen Reports, Dec. 31, 2008]

The author continues: “If 41% of Americans didn't support the onset of
military action, surely fewer than that support the disproportionate
murder of over 700 people. Yet, 89.6% of our representatives just
voted to express our government's support for this crime. Less than
one percent of the House voted 'no'.”


The author wonders, rather pretends to wonder, “How did we get to this
point where there is such a massive distortion and disconnect between
what the public thinks and how their representatives vote? That's a
matter for speculation.”

Let’s engage in a little “speculation.” Despite a media which has
slanted coverage of Gaza about as much as possible in favor of Israel
(totally different from what the rest of the world is getting), the
American public is roughly divided on the issue of the correctness of
the Israeli attack. That Congress provides almost unanimous support
for Israel (even when such support is contrary of American national
interest since it increases world hatred of the US) would seem to
indicate the power of the Israel Lobby.

Very few of those Americans who oppose the Israeli attack on Gaza base
their political support and voting on the Israeli-Palestinian issue,
and even those few who do lack the wherewithal to make much of a
political impact. In contrast, the Israel Lobby can exert considerable
power (money, media) against those members of Congress who oppose it.
Since members of Congress, in the main, tend to be lacking in sincere
conviction and political courage, they are not willing to take the
chance of opposing the Israel Lobby. Of course, the same is true in
the media—bucking the lobby is simply not career enhancing. The vast
majority of people simply prefer career success in the media or
politics as opposed to becoming a martyr—especially a martyr who might
be smeared as a devil by the pro-Israel saturated media. Average
Americans don’t sacrifice much by taking a position opposed to Israel—
certainly, in most cases, their jobs do not depend on their views of
Israeli policy.

__________________________________________________ ________

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2009/1/9/145856/9720

The Gaza Strip Conflict Resolution

by BooMan

Fri Jan 9th, 2009 at 02:58:56 PM EST

On the scale of offensive one-sidedness in the Israel-Palestine
conflict, the ironically named Gaza Strip Conflict Resolution is
probably about a 'five'. The actual text of the resolution has a
couple of disputable facts, but its real fault lies in its arbitrary
selection of facts. Yet, critiquing the factual basis for the
resolution is outside the scope of this essay. It was carefully
crafted to assure maximum support. And it just received maximum
support in the House, where it passed by a vote of 390-5 with 22
Democrats voting 'present' and 16 representatives not voting.

The five representatives that voted against the resolution are Dennis
Kucinich (D-OH), Gwen Moore (D-WI), Ron Paul (R-TX), Nick Rahall (D-
WV), and Maxine Waters (D-CA). I believe 21 of the 22 Democratic
members that voted 'present' are members of the Progressive Caucus.

The important thing is that 390 members of the House voted for a
resolution that states (in part):

(5) calls on all nations--

(A) to condemn Hamas for deliberately embedding its fighters,
leaders, and weapons in private homes, schools, mosques, hospitals,
and otherwise using Palestinian civilians as human shields, while
simultaneously targeting Israeli civilians; and

(B) to lay blame both for the breaking of the `calm' and for
subsequent civilian casualties in Gaza precisely where blame belongs,
that is, on Hamas;

That view of this conflict is a decidedly minority view in the world
at-large. There is little global love for the Hamas government in the
Gaza Strip, and most people condemn the use of rocket attacks on
indisputably sovereign Israeli territory. But the idea that the blame
for over 700 civilian casualties in Gaza since Christmas lies squarely
on Hamas' shoulders is not popular (to be charitable). Leaving the
impression that all the civilian casualties are the result of Hamas
hiding in mosques, schools, private homes, and hospitals is an
egregious and offensive distortion of the facts. It's true that Hamas
leaders have not lined up in open fields and offered themselves up for
slaughter. It's also true that Israel has bombed a UN school and
shelter and leveled multi-story apartment buildings. The
responsibility for that lies squarely with the Israelis. No one forced
them to kill civilians indiscriminately.

The problem with the Gaza Strip Conflict Resolution is that it is a
non-binding resolution that has no force of law and serves no other
purpose than to demonstrate overwhelming American support for Israel's
actions in Gaza, which have resulted in the deaths of over 700
innocent civilians. Yet, Americans do not support this senseless
slaughter in anything near overwhelming numbers.

Americans, while far more sympathetic to Israel than the
Palestinians, are closely divided over whether the Jewish state should
be taking military action against militants in the Gaza Strip. Forty-
four percent (44%) say Israel should have taken military action
against the Palestinians, but 41% say it should have tried to find a
diplomatic solution to the problems there...

[Source: Rasmussen Reports, Dec. 31, 2008]

If 41% of Americans didn't support the onset of military action,
surely fewer than that support the disproportionate murder of over 700
people. Yet, 89.6% of our representatives just voted to express our
government's support for this crime. Less than one percent of the
House voted 'no'.

How did we get to this point where there is such a massive distortion
and disconnect between what the public thinks and how their
representatives vote? That's a matter for speculation. What's more
important and should be less controversial, is what it looks like to
the outside world. While the UN Security Council calls for a cease-
fire (with America abstaining) and the Red Cross criticizes Israel for
inhumanity, the House of Representatives votes 90%-1% in favor of what
Israel is doing.

How could such a spectacle possibly fail to outrage the world and
motivate people to want to do us harm?

And here is the really critical point. What did Israel get out of this
resolution? That's an honest question. Did they get anything really
valuable? And what did America get out of it besides an increased risk
of retaliation and more strain on our relations with our Arab allies
in the region?

Tell me the answer. Because I think the Israeli Lobby just bullied
Congress into trading fealty to Tel Aviv at the expense of the
security of all American citizens at home and abroad. That's a hell of
a ****ty trade-off. But at least Israel now knows who their 'enemies'
are.

---- NAYS 5 ---

Kucinich, Moore (WI), Paul, Rahall, Waters

---- ANSWERED “PRESENT” 22 ---

Abercrombie, Blumenauer, DeFazio, Dingell, Edwards (MD), Ellison,
Farr, Grijalva, Hinchey, Johnson (GA), Kilpatrick (MI), Lee (CA),
McCollum, McDermott, Miller (George), Moran (VA), Olver, Payne,
Sanchez (Loretta), Stark, Watson, Woolsey

I think these 'enemies' are really Israel's best friends




Subject: U.S. Senate passes resolution to support Israel's Gaza
incursion

Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 3:53 AM


U.S. Senate passes resolution to support Israel's Gaza incursion:

mms://217.218.67.244/presstv/20090109/OUTPUT_09-12-00-SNG-JIHAN-WASHINGTON.wmv

Copy and paste the above URL into your Web browser to see the
excellent report that Press TV correspondent Jihan Hifaz filed out of
the D.C. bureau (included after the following) about the resolution as
it validates the Mearsheimer/Walt book ('The Israel Lobby and US
Foreign Policy' via www.israellobbybook.com) and former Republican
Congressman Paul Findley's 'They Dare to Speak Out' book and the books
by James Petras and Grant Smith about AIPAC and similar as well.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Additional at the following URLs:

U.S. Middle East policy motivated by pro-Israel lobby

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=49800

US Support for Israel's brutal oppression of the Palestinians PRIMARY
MOTIVATION for tragic attacks on the World Trade Center in 1993 and on
9/11 as well (look up 'Israel as a terrorist's motivation' in the
index of James Bamford's 'A Pretext for War' book and access the
following URL as well):

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=39590


Israel Attacks Gaza, Silence from Mainstream Media about Israeli
Violations of International Law:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_UKD...aynext_from=PL

Here is a tiny URL for the above one:

http://tinyurl.com/8ayd5b


Check out the youtube at the following URL as well:

http://neoconzionistthreat.blogspot....ence-from.html

Here is the tiny URL:

http://tinyurl.com/95ywdk



Why are Obama & Clinton Silent about Israel's Massacre of Palestinians
in Gaza?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Vj9...x=0&playnext=1

Here is a tiny URL for the above one:

http://tinyurl.com/8m2y5a





Subject: Congressional Resolution Supporting Israel Imminent

Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 9:43 AM


Looks like the Mearsheimer/Walt 'The Israel Lobby and US Foreign
Policy' book (www.israellobbybook.com) and Congressman Paul Findley's
'They Dare to Speak Out' book are validated yet again with the
following as I bet that AIPAC wrote this one and is pushing hard for
it to manifest as well:

Congressional Resolution Supporting Israel Imminent

Monday, January 5, 2009 4:20 PM
From: "Charles"

Please call your congressman and oppose this resolution!


Hi: This was sent by a longtime Middle East activist Bill Thomson of
the
University of Michigan. He said that there is a concerted effort to
make
one of the first orders of business in the new Congress a resolution
supporting israel. Please be in touch with your Congressional
representatives to try to head this off. What a ghastly way that would
be
to start this new Congress. Thanks. Peace. Richard Walton, RI.

In , on 01/05/09
at 01:43 PM, Bill Thomson said:




PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY


I have just received the following:


"A concerted effort is under way requesting that members of Congress
issue statements supporting Israel's right to "defend its citizens


against terrorism" by continuing its military action in Gaza. It is
likely that legislation in this vein will emerge shortly after Congress
convenes on January 6."


We may be certain that AIPAC and its allies will be pushing this hard.


Please immediately call your House member and Senators and urge them to
oppose this resolution and issue a statement condemning the
disproportionate Israeli actions against the citizens of Gaza.


You may contact your Representative and Senators in Congress at
202-224-3121 or find contact info for your Members of Congress at
http://capwiz.com/adc/dbq/officials/http://capwiz.com/adc/dbq/officials/


Peace,
Bill



Additional at the following URLs:

U.S. Middle East policy motivated by pro-Israel lobby

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=49800

US Support for Israel's brutal oppression of the Palestinians PRIMARY
MOTIVATION for tragic attacks on the World Trade Center in 1993 and on
9/11 as well (look up 'Israel as a terrorist's motivation' in the
index of James Bamford's 'A Pretext for War' book and access the
following URL as well):

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=39590



Israel Attacks Gaza, Silence from Mainstream Media about Israeli
Violations of International Law:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_UKD...aynext_from=PL

Check out the youtube at the following URL as well:

http://neoconzionistthreat.blogspot....ence-from.html



Why are Obama & Clinton Silent about Israel's Massacre of Palestinians
in Gaza?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Vj9...x=0&playnext=1

Here is a tiny URL for the above one:

http://tinyurl.com/8m2y5a



Ron Paul on the Israeli invasion of Gaza:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08gTWqWrI4M

Paul: Israel had US OK for war on Gaza :

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?i...tionid=3510203

Copy and paste the following URL into your browser to see the
courageous interview that Ron Paul did with Jihan Jahiz for Press TV:

Congressman Paul voices concern over US-Israel relations

mms://217.218.67.244/presstv/20090106/OUTPUT_04-21-00-SNG-JIHAN-WASHINGTON.wmv

Hillary Clinton is NOT an honest broker with Middle East:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seO2I...x=0&playnext=1



Here is a tiny one for the above one:

http://tinyurl.com/94a4to

Continuous Press TV coverage of Gaza via the streaming video link at
the top of www.presstv.com







 




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