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"hielan' laddie" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:43:15 -0400, the Legend of LAX wrote (in article ): Actually, Thunderbird does do yEnc. Unfortunately, it only does files that are properly formatted. I can usually see about half of all yEnc posts. hielan' laddie wrote: The two most prominent NNTP clients which do not decode yENC are MSOE and Thunderbird. I stand corrected. That means that it's only MSOE that has the problem. There is no problem with MSOE if you download OeyEnc Loader plugin from: http://www.mutexed.com/code/OeyEnc/ either. I've been using it for at least 3 years with absolutely no problem and 100% success. Once you have installed it, you don't even know that it is there. It's amazing how many of the detractors state that they refuse to download anything from the web because of dangers, install any software that isn't on MSOE or change anything on their computer from the original setup. Do they ever run MS update (or even know what it is), run an antivirus and firewall or anti-malware program. I wonder who they blame when their machine starts doing strange things because its been hacked. But the ones that make me laugh are the ones that can't see yEnc posts, refuse to do anything about it but go on and on and on and on about it. It's like a Monty Python argument sketch. I wonder what sort of aircraft these people would fly? One with twisty wings made in 1904 I guess. Or are they just Trolls? Michael .................................................. ............... Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access at http://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- |
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"Michael" wrote in message . .. "hielan' laddie" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:43:15 -0400, the Legend of LAX wrote (in article ): Actually, Thunderbird does do yEnc. Unfortunately, it only does files that are properly formatted. I can usually see about half of all yEnc posts. hielan' laddie wrote: The two most prominent NNTP clients which do not decode yENC are MSOE and Thunderbird. I stand corrected. That means that it's only MSOE that has the problem. There is no problem with MSOE if you download OeyEnc Loader plugin from: http://www.mutexed.com/code/OeyEnc/ either. I've been using it for at least 3 years with absolutely no problem and 100% success. Once you have installed it, you don't even know that it is there. It's amazing how many of the detractors state that they refuse to download anything from the web because of dangers, install any software that isn't on MSOE or change anything on their computer from the original setup. Do they ever run MS update (or even know what it is), run an antivirus and firewall or anti-malware program. I wonder who they blame when their machine starts doing strange things because its been hacked. But the ones that make me laugh are the ones that can't see yEnc posts, refuse to do anything about it but go on and on and on and on about it. It's like a Monty Python argument sketch. I wonder what sort of aircraft these people would fly? One with twisty wings made in 1904 I guess. Or are they just Trolls? Michael I'm using this and it works................BUT........only when all the multi-part messages are available. For some reason yEnc posters love big pics and small multi-part messages, end result is that enough parts always go missing as to make the whole exercise a huge waste of time. |
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Looks like I started a YENc WAR here. I apologize! So stop it now, please!
This could turn out to be a day time soap opera with all it's drama and stuff. Please do not turn it into "As the Stomach Turns" Jacques |
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 04:28:11 -0400, Dave D wrote
(in article ): "hielan' laddie" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:50:40 -0400, Mitchell Holman wrote (in article ): "John Crawford" wrote in : Yenc is suppose to save band width. No on my computer, all it does is flood it with useless unreadable garbage. Yenc might make sense when posting songs or video clips but when it comes to simple images I have never seen a reason to depart from the jpeg format that everyone can read and is comfortable with. One more time: Every single binary posted on USENET is encoded using some method or another. If you post a .JPG, you are posting it using some encoding system, MIME, or UUNET, or yENC or something else. You cannot just post a .JPG, USENET is a text-only medium and binaries must be encoded so that they look like text or they will not show up on USENET. You choose to encode using UUNET or MIME, depending on the default setting of your NNTP client; almost all NNTP clients decode MIME and UUNET and yENC. Some just decode MIME or UUNET. Some still don't decode any of those formats at all and must rely on 'helper apps' to decode binaries. (And to encode them for upload) When I first started reading USENET, my NNTP client at the time did not decode binaries of any format; I had to use a helper app. The two most prominent NNTP clients which do not decode yENC are MSOE and Thunderbird. MSOE users, in particular, insist that others not use yENC because their client won't read it. I tell 'em to kiss my ass. If you want to see _all_ the pics, use a client which will decode them, or get a helper app which will do it for you. If you insist on doing neither, that is _your choice_. You don't get to see certain pix. Like it or lump it. I always figgured that those who insist on using yENC for pics were kinda like those who put spoilers on the rear of their cars that won't go fast enough to be of any value. Simply put for show, looks, and status.... DaveD I have limited bandwidth. I see no reason to waste it unnecessarily catering to luddites. yENC cuts the overhead by a considerable amount. In addition, my outgoing connection is slow. Not using yENC means that I would take longer to post. I would prefer to cut down on the time, not to increase it. Faster connections are not available at my location, even if I were willing to pay more for the connivence of luddites, which I'm not. Nor am I willing to move to a location where I can get faster connections just so luddites can avoid using an efficient method. I configure my system to suit my needs. If my needs do not correspond to your needs, then by all means apply your killfile. Do it now. Don't wait, as I am _not_ going to change. |
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"Jacques" wrote in message ... Looks like I started a YENc WAR here. I apologize! So stop it now, please! This could turn out to be a day time soap opera with all it's drama and stuff. Please do not turn it into "As the Stomach Turns" Jacques Did you start the yEnc war? You must be a troll then......:-) No war buddy, just some education needed to those who don't understand how Usenet works. But a word of advice, If you don't want it discussed, keep your fingers off the keyboard. Michael .................................................. ............... Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access at http://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- |
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"hielan' laddie" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:43:15 -0400, the Legend of LAX wrote (in article ): Actually, Thunderbird does do yEnc. Unfortunately, it only does files that are properly formatted. I can usually see about half of all yEnc posts. hielan' laddie wrote: The two most prominent NNTP clients which do not decode yENC are MSOE and Thunderbird. I stand corrected. That means that it's only MSOE that has the problem. What problem? |
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"hielan' laddie" wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 04:28:11 -0400, Dave D wrote (in article ): "hielan' laddie" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:50:40 -0400, Mitchell Holman wrote (in article ): "John Crawford" wrote in : Yenc is suppose to save band width. No on my computer, all it does is flood it with useless unreadable garbage. Yenc might make sense when posting songs or video clips but when it comes to simple images I have never seen a reason to depart from the jpeg format that everyone can read and is comfortable with. One more time: Every single binary posted on USENET is encoded using some method or another. If you post a .JPG, you are posting it using some encoding system, MIME, or UUNET, or yENC or something else. You cannot just post a .JPG, USENET is a text-only medium and binaries must be encoded so that they look like text or they will not show up on USENET. You choose to encode using UUNET or MIME, depending on the default setting of your NNTP client; almost all NNTP clients decode MIME and UUNET and yENC. Some just decode MIME or UUNET. Some still don't decode any of those formats at all and must rely on 'helper apps' to decode binaries. (And to encode them for upload) When I first started reading USENET, my NNTP client at the time did not decode binaries of any format; I had to use a helper app. The two most prominent NNTP clients which do not decode yENC are MSOE and Thunderbird. MSOE users, in particular, insist that others not use yENC because their client won't read it. I tell 'em to kiss my ass. If you want to see _all_ the pics, use a client which will decode them, or get a helper app which will do it for you. If you insist on doing neither, that is _your choice_. You don't get to see certain pix. Like it or lump it. I always figgured that those who insist on using yENC for pics were kinda like those who put spoilers on the rear of their cars that won't go fast enough to be of any value. Simply put for show, looks, and status.... DaveD I have limited bandwidth. I see no reason to waste it unnecessarily catering to luddites. yENC cuts the overhead by a considerable amount. In addition, my outgoing connection is slow. Not using yENC means that I would take longer to post. I would prefer to cut down on the time, not to increase it. Faster connections are not available at my location, even if I were willing to pay more for the connivence of luddites, which I'm not. Nor am I willing to move to a location where I can get faster connections just so luddites can avoid using an efficient method. I configure my system to suit my needs. If my needs do not correspond to your needs, then by all means apply your killfile. Do it now. Don't wait, as I am _not_ going to change. I considered KF'ing you long ago but have not since you are the best entertainment this group has ever had. |
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hielan' laddie wrote:
[SNIP] The two most prominent NNTP clients which do not decode yENC are MSOE and Thunderbird. T'bird will handle *single* yEnc posts, but as multi-part yEnc posts *are not formatted according the Usenet RFCs in regard to posting format* it cannot handle them. If the bloke who came up with yEnc had *not* been raised in the mould of Microsoft and the "I'll do it *my* way, stuff any existing standards" attitude they engage in, _none of these discussions would occur_. Cheers, Gary B-) P.S. I am all in favour of reducing bandwidth requirements, but anyone who can count beyond ten without taking their shoes off should realise that a single post with 50Kb of encoded data uses less bandwidth than five posts each with 10Kb of encoded data and associated glue. |
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"Don Pyeatt" wrote in message ... "hielan' laddie" wrote in message ... On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:43:15 -0400, the Legend of LAX wrote (in article ): Actually, Thunderbird does do yEnc. Unfortunately, it only does files that are properly formatted. I can usually see about half of all yEnc posts. hielan' laddie wrote: The two most prominent NNTP clients which do not decode yENC are MSOE and Thunderbird. I stand corrected. That means that it's only MSOE that has the problem. What problem? The problem that MSOE doesn't decode yEnc without a helper. Why what did you think he meant? Michael .................................................. ............... Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access at http://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- |
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"Don Pyeatt" wrote in message ... "hielan' laddie" wrote in message ... On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 04:28:11 -0400, Dave D wrote (in article ): "hielan' laddie" wrote in message ... On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:50:40 -0400, Mitchell Holman wrote (in article ): "John Crawford" wrote in : Yenc is suppose to save band width. No on my computer, all it does is flood it with useless unreadable garbage. Yenc might make sense when posting songs or video clips but when it comes to simple images I have never seen a reason to depart from the jpeg format that everyone can read and is comfortable with. One more time: Every single binary posted on USENET is encoded using some method or another. If you post a .JPG, you are posting it using some encoding system, MIME, or UUNET, or yENC or something else. You cannot just post a .JPG, USENET is a text-only medium and binaries must be encoded so that they look like text or they will not show up on USENET. You choose to encode using UUNET or MIME, depending on the default setting of your NNTP client; almost all NNTP clients decode MIME and UUNET and yENC. Some just decode MIME or UUNET. Some still don't decode any of those formats at all and must rely on 'helper apps' to decode binaries. (And to encode them for upload) When I first started reading USENET, my NNTP client at the time did not decode binaries of any format; I had to use a helper app. The two most prominent NNTP clients which do not decode yENC are MSOE and Thunderbird. MSOE users, in particular, insist that others not use yENC because their client won't read it. I tell 'em to kiss my ass. If you want to see _all_ the pics, use a client which will decode them, or get a helper app which will do it for you. If you insist on doing neither, that is _your choice_. You don't get to see certain pix. Like it or lump it. I always figgured that those who insist on using yENC for pics were kinda like those who put spoilers on the rear of their cars that won't go fast enough to be of any value. Simply put for show, looks, and status.... DaveD I have limited bandwidth. I see no reason to waste it unnecessarily catering to luddites. yENC cuts the overhead by a considerable amount. In addition, my outgoing connection is slow. Not using yENC means that I would take longer to post. I would prefer to cut down on the time, not to increase it. Faster connections are not available at my location, even if I were willing to pay more for the connivence of luddites, which I'm not. Nor am I willing to move to a location where I can get faster connections just so luddites can avoid using an efficient method. I configure my system to suit my needs. If my needs do not correspond to your needs, then by all means apply your killfile. Do it now. Don't wait, as I am _not_ going to change. I considered KF'ing you long ago but have not since you are the best entertainment this group has ever had. You need to get away from your computer more often :-) Michael .................................................. ............... Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access at http://www.TitanNews.com -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- |
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