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Judah wrote:
Bring the freakin' book Good advice. even if it is your 2000 edition from your private. Bad advice. It's bad form to show up for a checkride with anything which is outdated. Using last year's AIM is unlikely to ever cause you any real harm, but why risk disaster if currency of publications is something your examiner happens to have a bug up his butt about? It doesn't really matter if he's right or wrong, getting into an argument with the examiner on a checkride is rarely useful. |
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"Wizard of Draws" wrote in message news:BCBF15CA.E112%jeffbREMOVE@REMOVEwizardofdraws .com... On 5/5/04 9:13 PM, in article gjgmc.12049$k24.2313@fed1read01, "BTIZ" wrote: a 100 on the written??? well.. the examiner knows no body is perfect.. so he's going try to find out what you don't know.. don't worry.. they always find something.. and it should be no big deal... just don't dig a hole and try to bluff your way out of something.. study up, take your reference library with you.. and you'll do fine.. BT I don't understand taking a reference library with you to a checkride. I'll be scheduling my IFR ride this month if I wasn't so busy. But when it does happen (in June), I'll only be taking the essentials and what's been planted in my brain up to that time. No FAR/AIM or anything of that sort. It wasn't needed during my private oral and I don't see the sense in the DE digging to the point that you have to feel like you need to drag along an encyclopedia. You didn't take the AIM or FARs with you? Yikes - The DEs I know would not have let that go. So when you don't know something you just shrug your shoulders and have no way of saying "I can look it up?" If you scored 100, there should be no question that you studied and are able to pass the oral easily. A few questions on each topic should be sufficient without the DE trying to find something, for God's sake, anything! just to show you that you don't know it all. That is horse doodie. Getting a 100 on the knowledge tests is not that hard and you can do it and still know very little about instrument flying. -- Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino Cartoons with a Touch of Magic www.wizardofdraws.com www.cartoonclipart.com |
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"Wizard of Draws" wrote in message news:BCC0447A.E18F%jeffbREMOVE@REMOVEwizardofdraws .com... On 5/5/04 10:11 PM, in article z9hmc.12056$k24.7196@fed1read01, "BTIZ" wrote: well... lets see... you must take your oral's differently than we do, FAR/AIM, POH, Aircraft Logs, Weather charts, and weather reference material. More than one DE has always asked the stumper question... just to see if you know how to look something up. BT Probably a good deal of it is that my flight school has a very good idea of what the DE wants to see and what info he's likely to ask. 90% of my private oral seemed to come from the ASA prep book and the rest were questions that my instructor and I had prepped for. So your flight school just schedules with someone they know will pass just about anyone they send his/her way. That is nice to know. I'll make sure to stay away from your airspace. I fail to see the reasoning behind demonstrating my FAR/AIM research skills, as it pertains to my ability to fly safely. I see that it is recommended to bring the book to the ride, but since I've had no need to crack open the thing in my last 4 years of flying, I don't see the point. I think a DE should test the real world, not abstract FAA mumbo jumbo. Um, that is a scary attitude. So how do you learn? You just let other people tell you the regulations? You never look them up yourself? This is quite enlightening. -- Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino Cartoons with a Touch of Magic www.wizardofdraws.com www.cartoonclipart.com |
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it's the abstract that sometimes will get you into trouble... when you are
cited for a violation.. even though your practical flying was perfect.. BT "Wizard of Draws" wrote in message news:BCC0447A.E18F%jeffbREMOVE@REMOVEwizardofdraws .com... On 5/5/04 10:11 PM, in article z9hmc.12056$k24.7196@fed1read01, "BTIZ" wrote: well... lets see... you must take your oral's differently than we do, FAR/AIM, POH, Aircraft Logs, Weather charts, and weather reference material. More than one DE has always asked the stumper question... just to see if you know how to look something up. BT Probably a good deal of it is that my flight school has a very good idea of what the DE wants to see and what info he's likely to ask. 90% of my private oral seemed to come from the ASA prep book and the rest were questions that my instructor and I had prepped for. I fail to see the reasoning behind demonstrating my FAR/AIM research skills, as it pertains to my ability to fly safely. I see that it is recommended to bring the book to the ride, but since I've had no need to crack open the thing in my last 4 years of flying, I don't see the point. I think a DE should test the real world, not abstract FAA mumbo jumbo. -- Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino Cartoons with a Touch of Magic www.wizardofdraws.com www.cartoonclipart.com |
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In article ,
David B. Cole wrote: Thanks for the feedback guys, but after a crappy day of flying today I think I'm going to postpone. Heh, after the first post about a great day of flying I was going to say how that happened to me and then because of the time left before the checkride we flew again and I flew horribly. Real confidence builder. ;-) -- Ben Jackson http://www.ben.com/ |
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David B. Cole wrote:
Thanks for the feedback guys, but after a crappy day of flying today I think I'm going to postpone. Give yourself another chance before you postpone. Some people in these newsgroups might claim that their flying is perfect and always has been, but many of the rest of us have gone through exactly the same thing that you just went through: it happened to me the day before my first solo, again during my first flubbed pre-PPL practice flight test, and again during my first flubbed pre-IFR practice flight test, in every case because of nerves and shaken confidence. You're probably about to make a similar breakthrough -- in one or two flights your confidence will come back, everything will seem easier than it ever was before, and you'll be happy that you didn't postpone or give up. I'm sure that your instructor has seen this pattern before. All the best, David |
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Roy Smith wrote in
: Judah wrote: Bring the freakin' book Good advice. even if it is your 2000 edition from your private. Bad advice. It's bad form to show up for a checkride with anything which is outdated. Using last year's AIM is unlikely to ever cause you any real harm, but why risk disaster if currency of publications is something your examiner happens to have a bug up his butt about? It doesn't really matter if he's right or wrong, getting into an argument with the examiner on a checkride is rarely useful. Hi Roy! That's a valid point... I guess my thought was the guy was already claiming that he would never have a reason to open the book in real life, so the thought that he would consider buying an updated version seemed unlikely... |
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On 5/8/04 2:53 AM, in article ,
"Judah" wrote: I guess my thought was the guy was already claiming that he would never have a reason to open the book in real life, so the thought that he would consider buying an updated version seemed unlikely... One of the reasons I dislike getting into long discussions on Usenet is that any position quickly becomes mischaracterized, misquoted or grossly distorted, because people are unable or unwilling to *read* what was actually written. It's extremely odd to me that pilots can be so anal retentive in so many aspects, yet when it comes to reading comprehension in newsgroups, they fail so miserably. Judah, please reread my post that you "quoted" from. Pay particular attention to the tense that I used and compare it to the tense that you place my statements in. That said, I will take the advice given here and take a current FAR/AIM to my checkride when it is scheduled. -- Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino Cartoons with a Touch of Magic www.wizardofdraws.com www.cartoonclipart.com |
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