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China has taken notice it would seem
"T3" wrote in message m... Given the USA's dependence on space based assets for communication, control as well as surveillance and targeting not to mention what else we are not aware of (black ops), it would seem that the Chinese have robust projects to deny the USA space at a time of its choosing. Recent reports indicate they (Chicoms) are hiding a major part their defense spending, it would appear they have plan. Is it Taiwan or maybe "something" larger? T3 Its paranoia, on both sides, nothing more-nothing less. China needs us and we need China. Neither can afford a stand off at this time, but yet the game must go on. Mike http://www.space.com/news/china_dod_030801.html http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world...nse000306.html |
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"Mike Keown" wrote in message ...
"T3" wrote in message m... Given the USA's dependence on space based assets for communication, control as well as surveillance and targeting not to mention what else we are not aware of (black ops), it would seem that the Chinese have robust projects to deny the USA space at a time of its choosing. Recent reports indicate they (Chicoms) are hiding a major part their defense spending, it would appear they have plan. Is it Taiwan or maybe "something" larger? T3 Its paranoia, on both sides, nothing more-nothing less. China needs us and we need China. Neither can afford a stand off at this time, but yet the game must go on. Mike Demographic 'changes' in the US will eventually lead to the ascendence of Chinese supremacy. They have the patience to wait while their technological and manufacturing prowess perfects itself and watch while the US implodes in problems of its own making Ala California. Yep, China needs the US... for now. |
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"The Enlightenment" wrote in message om... while the US implodes in problems of its own making Ala California. China has no problems? Yep, China needs the US... for now. Just as we need China...for now. Vaughn |
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From: Cub Driver
we seem to be taking the stance now that we *don't* integrate newcomers, but instead do our best to elevate them (if that's the right verb) to the status of a specially-aggrieved minority. True, if you define "we" as certain segments of the educational/political class. But in the great teeming mass of the population, it doesn't seem to have much significant effect, "significant effect" being defined as, among other things, exogamy rates (marrying outside your ethnic group) which have continuously been on the rise through the century. What is particularly interesting is how smoothly--and frequently-- "Hispanic" immigrants' children engage in exogamy. There is no evidence of permanent ethnic blocs forming, other than the standard types we have had all along. The big exception is blacks, which still have low (but increasing) exogamy rates an order of magnitude below other ethnic group exogamy rates. What's interesting in this is that it points to how little influence official policies have on the evolution of the "real" American civilization erupting ad hoc from the population. This is a huge change over my childhood, when the teacher made fun of me in class because I pronounced "pen" as if it were spelled "pin". "You sound like you just came over from the Old Sod." I really don't see it as a negative if today's teachers don't ridicule their students for their ethnicity. (That's Ireland, in case your knowledge of ethnic jibes has been weakened in the current wash of racial gentility.) Well, I grew up in Montana, where the only "ethnics" I was aware of were Indians and Mormons. We got along, although our grandparents had killed each other with skill and enthusiasm. I became a Yankee as fast as I could, which was pretty fast. Did you become a yankee because you were ridiculed by your teacher or because the greater society opened up to you? No matter how much your teacher ridiculed you, had society closed its doors to you, with "No Irish Need Apply" codified into law, might you not have retreated into your ethnic identity and made no effort to assimilate? Being an American is like riding a unicycle. So you are saying Americans are circus clowns? (couldn't resist) You are always on the cusp of a remarkable journey, the outcome of which you can't possibly know. Just because you haven't fallen off yet doesn't mean that it can't happen. But if you get off the unicycle you stop being an American. I just don't see American identity as being that fragile. It appears to me to be enormously powerful and attractive. Ben Wattenberg, examining statistical population data from the century has remarked that the clearest fact these data make clear is the "de-otherization" of America. Wattenberg is, of course, a real Democrat from the days when Democrats were optimistic progressives rather than today's anxiety ridden Luddites. See such works of his as "The Good News is the Bad News is Wrong," "The First Universal Nation," and "The Real Majority" among others. Chris Mark |
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China is making all this noise in order to keep things from coming
apart in China. If anyone really looked, China has a greater poverty problem than they did when Mao took over. There are something like 250 million illegal migrant workers wandering around China working day labor jobs. They are illegal because in China you cannot leave your village with out government permission. In the really rural areas the only people who can leave are volunteers for the Army ( Which is cutting its manpower, because even China realizes that technology as made quality more important than quanity). The illegal day laborers who just walk away from the rural villages can get neither schooling for their children, hospitals for the sick and injured or housing. It is not uncommon for the day laborers on construction to live in the very buildings they are constructing. This year, 66-75% of the recent college graduates can't find jobs, Labor Strikes, (Yes I said strikes) have severely impacted their oil. gas and coal industries in the delivering of energy. Farmers in the villages are living on the edge of starvation because China (as Part of WTO ) can buy rice cheaper from the Mississippi Delta and California than they can raise it themselves. Remember SARS?? This was caused by the small farmers trying to maximize their income by raising chickens, ducks and pigs on to small of plots where diseases can be passed from birds to pigs and then on to humans. ( How do you explain all the various flu strains (which are basically avian diseases) come from china. There is a lot of pressure for the development of a multi party government as a lot of people in the rural areas the more economic developed south are finding that the communist party does not represent their interests any more. The communist party is holding on to power by a thread, ( A heavily armed thread but a thread just the same) The only organization the communists can rely on is the army. They have lost control of the banking and the labor markets. With the integration of their banking system with the world financial systems It is doubtful that they could even seize the banks any more. Right now some of the provincial governors are telling the big bosses in Beijing to pound sand and are getting away with it. Some knowledgeable people are saying China will probably implode in the next 20 years. J.D. Mike Keown wrote: "T3" wrote in message m... Given the USA's dependence on space based assets for communication, control as well as surveillance and targeting not to mention what else we are not aware of (black ops), it would seem that the Chinese have robust projects to deny the USA space at a time of its choosing. Recent reports indicate they (Chicoms) are hiding a major part their defense spending, it would appear they have plan. Is it Taiwan or maybe "something" larger? T3 Its paranoia, on both sides, nothing more-nothing less. China needs us and we need China. Neither can afford a stand off at this time, but yet the game must go on. Mike http://www.space.com/news/china_dod_030801.html http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world...nse000306.html |
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Jim Dauven wrote in message ... China is making all this noise in order to keep things from coming apart in China. If anyone really looked, China has a greater poverty problem than they did when Mao took over. There are something like 250 million illegal migrant workers wandering around China working day labor jobs. They are illegal because in China you cannot leave your village with out government permission. In the really rural areas the only people who can leave are volunteers for the Army ( Which is cutting its manpower, because even China realizes that technology as made quality more important than quanity). The illegal day laborers who just walk away from the rural villages can get neither schooling for their children, hospitals for the sick and injured or housing. It is not uncommon for the day laborers on construction to live in the very buildings they are constructing. This year, 66-75% of the recent college graduates can't find jobs, Labor Strikes, (Yes I said strikes) have severely impacted their oil. gas and coal industries in the delivering of energy. Farmers in the villages are living on the edge of starvation because China (as Part of WTO ) can buy rice cheaper from the Mississippi Delta and California than they can raise it themselves. Remember SARS?? This was caused by the small farmers trying to maximize their income by raising chickens, ducks and pigs on to small of plots where diseases can be passed from birds to pigs and then on to humans. ( How do you explain all the various flu strains (which are basically avian diseases) come from china. There is a lot of pressure for the development of a multi party government as a lot of people in the rural areas the more economic developed south are finding that the communist party does not represent their interests any more. The communist party is holding on to power by a thread, ( A heavily armed thread but a thread just the same) The only organization the communists can rely on is the army. They have lost control of the banking and the labor markets. With the integration of their banking system with the world financial systems It is doubtful that they could even seize the banks any more. Right now some of the provincial governors are telling the big bosses in Beijing to pound sand and are getting away with it. Some knowledgeable people are saying China will probably implode in the next 20 years. J.D. Mike Keown wrote: "T3" wrote in message m... Given the USA's dependence on space based assets for communication, control as well as surveillance and targeting not to mention what else we are not aware of (black ops), it would seem that the Chinese have robust projects to deny the USA space at a time of its choosing. Recent reports indicate they (Chicoms) are hiding a major part their defense spending, it would appear they have plan. Is it Taiwan or maybe "something" larger? T3 Its paranoia, on both sides, nothing more-nothing less. China needs us and we need China. Neither can afford a stand off at this time, but yet the game must go on. Mike http://www.space.com/news/china_dod_030801.html http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world...nse000306.html Furthwer, didn't they have to put down a riot or 2 in the predominately muslim regions? Pat |
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Farmers in the villages are living on the edge of starvation because
China (as Part of WTO ) can buy rice cheaper from the Mississippi Delta and California than they can raise it themselves. 'splain this one to me. How can a farmer farming rice starve? And, honestly ... I guess it's not impossible, but with shipping costs and all I find it hard to believe that US rice is cheaper than locally produced rice. It's possible, but ... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ Keeper of the Humour List at http://members.aol.com/PirateJohn/pirate1.html "Mother, mother ocean... I have heard your call" - Jimmy Buffett, A Pirate Looks At Forty. |
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"PirateJohn" wrote in message ... Farmers in the villages are living on the edge of starvation because China (as Part of WTO ) can buy rice cheaper from the Mississippi Delta and California than they can raise it themselves. 'splain this one to me. How can a farmer farming rice starve? And, honestly ... I guess it's not impossible, but with shipping costs and all I find it hard to believe that US rice is cheaper than locally produced rice. It's possible, but ... It is a quality issue. |
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