Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC

A Lieberma writes:

What I meant to say was that I thought that all headphones must be off
below 10,000 feet for the ability to hear instructions.

Safety announcements can override all audio channels, so it isn't
necessary to take headphones off to hear them.

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Buck Murdock wrote:
United is the only airline I've ever heard of that does the
ATC-through-the-audio-system thing. I know for sure that Continental
doesn't.

I'm pretty sure another airline had the ATC channel for a while in the
90s, but not any more. Cameras are another deal...

American used to show the view out front on takeoff on its TV screens,
until after that DC-10 crash in Chicago, 1979. Rumors say they had to
pay extra for the pain and suffering caused by the passengers seeing
their own doom.

I can't remember what airline I was on to Copenhagen a few years ago,
but you could use your personal monitor control to see views both out
front and looking straight down.

Regards, Kev

A Lieberma wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in
:

I had a similar experience on a United flight into Little Rock AR a
few years ago. I was listening to the channel while we were on final
and the tower calls "United 456, GO AROUND GO AROUND, Aircraft on the
runway." Before the second "Go Around" had been called the engines
got real loud. The tower then told the Baron to clear the active,
contact ground and call the tower at XXX-XXXX when able.

We were own very short final. And I have no doubt the pilot saw the
runway incurrtion at the same time the tower did.

Hmmm, aren't all electronics stowed below 10,000 feet. I would have
thought that all audio and movie channels would be turned off by the
captain, especially short final?

Allen

The audio channels where on during this flight. I would assume that the
audio system in airlines would be certified for in-flight use. Since I got
an I-Pod I haven't listened to the audio they provide but back then the only
time you couldn't hear the audio channels was when the crew override kicked
in.

"Kev" wrote in message
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Buck Murdock wrote:
United is the only airline I've ever heard of that does the
ATC-through-the-audio-system thing. I know for sure that Continental
doesn't.

I'm pretty sure another airline had the ATC channel for a while in the
90s, but not any more. Cameras are another deal...

American used to show the view out front on takeoff on its TV screens,
until after that DC-10 crash in Chicago, 1979. Rumors say they had to
pay extra for the pain and suffering caused by the passengers seeing
their own doom.

Personally, I can't imagine much more pain and suffering beyond the
realization that you are knife-edge (and still rolling) in a DC10...

I can't remember what airline I was on to Copenhagen a few years ago,
but you could use your personal monitor control to see views both out
front and looking straight down.

Flew Egypt Air 777 to Cairo and it had a forward-looking camera on the nose
gear. Cool view on a long final approach to land.

Jay B

-----Original Message-----
From: JD ]
Posted At: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:42 AM
Posted To: rec.aviation.ifr
Conversation: Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's
ATC
Subject: Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's
ATC


Jim Carter wrote:
MS - why don't you get a copy of the instrument flying handbook or
the
TERPS manual, or some other good text and learn the system? Every
one of
the questions you've been asking are addressed in those and in the
AIM
and FARs. These are the information sources that aspiring pilots use
in
their pursuit of knowledge.

Online version of the AIM: http://www.faa.gov/ATPubs/AIM/index.htm

"Page Not Found
Sorry, but the page you have requested has moved or no longer exists.
Please use the links provided below to find the resource you were
looking for:

Home
FAA Home"

Try
http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...tions/atpubs/a
im/

Buck Murdock wrote in
:

Frankly, though, choosing between Continental and United is a
no-brainer. I'd rather ride on Continental any day of the week, even
without "channel 9." Nicer planes, better food.

I'd have to agree with the nice planes :-)

767 with personal entertainment on the back of each seat, including the
cheap seats I was in. Movies or video games or even a GPS flight show.

Went to seatguru, selected the outer seat either behind or in front of
the wing.

First time on a 767 for me, and it is the quietest plane I ever been on!

Oh yea, the trip, awesome.

Only dissapointment was Lihue airport didn't have a GA place where I
could rent a Cessna.

Tell you what though, airliners had a dickens of a time at Lihue.

Downhill runway, every landing was a crusher, and every landing, we
stopped no sooner then the 1000 foot marker. Couldn't figure it out
until one takeoff, the pilot took his sweet time lining up, and I
happened to be on the left side of the plane. Runway had a huge grade
going down.

Allen

Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Safety announcements can override all audio channels, so it isn't
necessary to take headphones off to hear them.

Yep, typical response of a person who never stepped into a plane.

Ya know, safety announcements just may have to be made if something
catastropic happens to the electrial system and flight attendence have to
bark out orders using their own voices. I.E evacutation orders.

Allen

A Lieberma writes:

Yep, typical response of a person who never stepped into a plane.

No, typical response of someone who has actually looked at the comm
stack in a commercial airliner.

Ya know, safety announcements just may have to be made if something
catastropic happens to the electrial system and flight attendence have to
bark out orders using their own voices. I.E evacutation orders.

Yes, but not every announcement is an evacuation order. Announcements
can be made that override all audio channels.

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Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Ya know, safety announcements just may have to be made if something
catastropic happens to the electrial system and flight attendence
have to bark out orders using their own voices. I.E evacutation
orders.

Yes, but not every announcement is an evacuation order. Announcements
can be made that override all audio channels.

Yep, a response from a person who never stepped into a plane.

Reeeeeeeed carefully above.

Better yet, pull the plug to your computer and make an announcment over
your radio stack and see just how many of your imaginary passengers will
hear your announcement.

Allen

A Lieberma wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote in
:

Ya know, safety announcements just may have to be made if something
catastropic happens to the electrial system and flight attendence
have to bark out orders using their own voices. I.E evacutation
orders.

Yes, but not every announcement is an evacuation order. Announcements
can be made that override all audio channels.

Yep, a response from a person who never stepped into a plane.
Reeeeeeeed carefully above.

?? It might be clear in your own head, but I can't figure out what
you're arguing about. All Mx said is that you can hear announcements
on top of the headphone channels. That's certainly been my
experience. Are you claiming otherwise?

Puzzled, Kev