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Old February 11th 07, 11:57 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.ifr
Paul[_4_]
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Anybody know what type of instrument approaches were used to fly the
airlift into Berlin in the 40s?

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Old February 12th 07, 12:24 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.ifr
Steven P. McNicoll
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"Paul" wrote in message
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Anybody know what type of instrument approaches were used to fly the
airlift into Berlin in the 40s?


GCA


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Old February 12th 07, 03:11 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.ifr
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Paul" wrote in message
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Anybody know what type of instrument approaches were used to fly the
airlift into Berlin in the 40s?



GCA



It wasn't PAR?
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Old February 12th 07, 03:35 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.ifr
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Sam Spade wrote in news:l1Qzh.11876$c%2.1737
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It wasn't PAR?


In those days, it was GCA

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Old February 12th 07, 05:19 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.ifr
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"John Godwin" wrote in message
. 3.50...

In those days, it was GCA


It still is.


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Old February 12th 07, 05:18 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.ifr
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On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 04:19:44 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"John Godwin" wrote in message
.3.50...

In those days, it was GCA


It still is.


GCA = Ground Controlled Approach. PAR = Precision Approach Radar (A
GCA with both glide path and centerline guidance. ASR = Air
Surveillance Radar (A GCA with centerline guidance only, using
recommended minimum altitudes at various ranges from touchdown)

Both ASR and PAR are GCA.


Ed Rasimus
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Old February 12th 07, 05:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.ifr
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On Feb 11, 9:35 pm, John Godwin wrote:
Sam Spade wrote in news:l1Qzh.11876$c%2.1737
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It wasn't PAR?


In those days, it was GCA

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Please explain the difference between GCA and PAR.......


John Hairell )
former GCA/PAR controller

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Old February 13th 07, 09:35 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.ifr
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" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 11, 9:35 pm, John Godwin wrote:
Sam Spade wrote in news:l1Qzh.11876$c%2.1737
@newsfe12.phx:



It wasn't PAR?


In those days, it was GCA

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Please explain the difference between GCA and PAR.......



PAR is part of the GCA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precision_Approach_Radar

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-Controlled_Approach

I worked as a Radio Repairman at Williams AFB in the late 70's . Our GCA
was located beside the Control tower. It had 2 PAR Positions and three ASR
positions. It does not actually control airspace it only provides guidance
for landing. If a GCA like the one at Williams was to control airspace it
would not be a GCA it would be a RAPCON (Runway APproach CONtrol)

A brief note on ASR approaches. ASR does not determine Altitude
information. That is coming from the Aircrafts altimeter through the
aircraft transponder and the decoded by the radars IFF reciever which then
places that information on the Controllors ASR scope. Most of you already
know this but I though I'd add it for those who don't




John Hairell )
former GCA/PAR controller



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Old February 18th 07, 03:00 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.ifr
Steven P. McNicoll
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"Sam Spade" wrote in message
...

It wasn't PAR?


PAR was part of it.


 




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