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  #51  
Old November 17th 03, 01:13 AM
Dave
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"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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Who stands to gain from ATC privatization? Are there major businesses
that do this now, and others that are quietly preparing to pick up

some
fat federal ATC contracts? Do these companies have any connection to
the white house and friends?


It will be sold off to the airlines which makes a lot of sense. Sell a
national asset to companies that are struggling to either avoid or get

out
of bankruptcy. Maybe the White House think that putting ATC into their
balance sheets will give the airlines more strength.


An ATC responsive to common carriers has a very real apeal.


and to hell with GA too!


  #52  
Old November 17th 03, 01:31 AM
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which makes it non responsive to general aviation?

a very bad deal..

ATC clearances go on the auction block... how bad do you really need to go..

BT

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
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Who stands to gain from ATC privatization? Are there major businesses
that do this now, and others that are quietly preparing to pick up

some
fat federal ATC contracts? Do these companies have any connection to
the white house and friends?


It will be sold off to the airlines which makes a lot of sense. Sell a
national asset to companies that are struggling to either avoid or get

out
of bankruptcy. Maybe the White House think that putting ATC into their
balance sheets will give the airlines more strength.


An ATC responsive to common carriers has a very real apeal.




  #53  
Old November 17th 03, 02:33 AM
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BTIZ wrote:

cheaper I might agree with... but safer??

so the pilots (or surviving families) sue the "private ATC company" for the
screw up.. and not the gov't..


If that happens, the next contract will cost the Feds lots more money, so it
won't be cheaper anymore.

George Patterson
They say nothing's certain except death and taxes. The thing is, death
doesn't get worse every time Congress goes into session.
  #54  
Old November 17th 03, 02:49 AM
Peter Gottlieb
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Unless they write legislation absolving the private companies from
liability.

Before you say they can't do that, look at the new energy bill and what it
is doing to the lawsuits dealing with MTBE in groundwater.


"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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BTIZ wrote:

cheaper I might agree with... but safer??

so the pilots (or surviving families) sue the "private ATC company" for

the
screw up.. and not the gov't..


If that happens, the next contract will cost the Feds lots more money, so

it
won't be cheaper anymore.

George Patterson
They say nothing's certain except death and taxes. The thing is,

death
doesn't get worse every time Congress goes into session.



  #55  
Old November 17th 03, 02:58 AM
Tarver Engineering
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"Dave" wrote in message
...

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
...

"Dave" wrote in message
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Who stands to gain from ATC privatization? Are there major

businesses
that do this now, and others that are quietly preparing to pick up

some
fat federal ATC contracts? Do these companies have any connection

to
the white house and friends?


It will be sold off to the airlines which makes a lot of sense. Sell a
national asset to companies that are struggling to either avoid or get

out
of bankruptcy. Maybe the White House think that putting ATC into their
balance sheets will give the airlines more strength.


An ATC responsive to common carriers has a very real apeal.


and to hell with GA too!


GA would not only get superior service, but $100,000,000 in the aviation
budget.




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Old November 17th 03, 03:00 AM
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"BTIZ" wrote in message
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which makes it non responsive to general aviation?


Nope, but privatization is about money and jobs.

a very bad deal..


GA gets a big slab of pork right up front.

ATC clearances go on the auction block... how bad do you really need to

go..

That is where we are headed without a change.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote in message
...

"Dave" wrote in message
...
Who stands to gain from ATC privatization? Are there major

businesses
that do this now, and others that are quietly preparing to pick up

some
fat federal ATC contracts? Do these companies have any connection

to
the white house and friends?


It will be sold off to the airlines which makes a lot of sense. Sell a
national asset to companies that are struggling to either avoid or get

out
of bankruptcy. Maybe the White House think that putting ATC into their
balance sheets will give the airlines more strength.


An ATC responsive to common carriers has a very real apeal.






  #57  
Old November 17th 03, 03:01 AM
Tarver Engineering
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"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
et...
Unless they write legislation absolving the private companies from
liability.

Before you say they can't do that, look at the new energy bill and what it
is doing to the lawsuits dealing with MTBE in groundwater.


California developed and mandated MTBE.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
...


BTIZ wrote:

cheaper I might agree with... but safer??

so the pilots (or surviving families) sue the "private ATC company"

for
the
screw up.. and not the gov't..


If that happens, the next contract will cost the Feds lots more money,

so
it
won't be cheaper anymore.

George Patterson
They say nothing's certain except death and taxes. The thing is,

death
doesn't get worse every time Congress goes into session.





  #58  
Old November 17th 03, 03:01 AM
G.R. Patterson III
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Peter Gottlieb wrote:

Unless they write legislation absolving the private companies from
liability.


Oh, I'm sure they can. They did that with the USPS when that got privatized.

George Patterson
They say nothing's certain except death and taxes. The thing is, death
doesn't get worse every time Congress goes into session.
  #59  
Old November 17th 03, 03:11 AM
Tarver Engineering
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"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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Peter Gottlieb wrote:

Unless they write legislation absolving the private companies from
liability.


Oh, I'm sure they can. They did that with the USPS when that got

privatized.

The postal service is a Constitutional entity and therefore you are
comparing apples and oranges. The system was at saturation a couple of
years ago and will probably be again in a couple more. GA is going to get
frozen out under the current ATC system.


  #60  
Old November 17th 03, 03:28 AM
Matthew S. Whiting
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Tarver Engineering wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message
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Who stands to gain from ATC privatization? Are there major businesses
that do this now, and others that are quietly preparing to pick up some
fat federal ATC contracts? Do these companies have any connection to
the white house and friends?


It will be sold off to the airlines which makes a lot of sense. Sell a
national asset to companies that are struggling to either avoid or get out
of bankruptcy. Maybe the White House think that putting ATC into their
balance sheets will give the airlines more strength.



An ATC responsive to common carriers has a very real apeal.



Only if you are a common carrier. A large part of the air traffic isn't
airline.


Matt

 




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