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On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 20:07:14 +0000 (UTC) "Jean-Pierre"
wrote: :Maybe buy European Airbus and show some solidarity with Europe rather than :it always being the other way round Yeah, you Europeans were a real help in WW2. And we certainly saw your support in the UN after 9/11. -- Binyamin Dissen http://www.dissensoftware.com |
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In article , Matthew Mayer
wrote: I vaguely remember somehting about AF1 being required to have four engines (here's the 2 vs.4 ETOPS argument again...). Urban legend or not? Think Boeing could hang two extra engines on a Vista-Cruiser or whatever they've decided to call the 7E7 when the time comes?? :-) I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that it will be 777 over a 7E7. How else will they be able to carry all those media flacks? |
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"John Gaquin" iterated.....
"Binyamin Dissen" wrote in message Yeah, you Europeans were a real help in WW2. Unfair and inaccurate generalization. You have to be more country specific. JG And we certainly saw your support in the UN after 9/11. I can see it now....next AF1 built by a reincarnation of the preWWII Polish PZL (with electrical system by Lucas...) Think how many years le Grand Charles had to deal with the less than transAtlantic range of the Caravelle (or the bitter pill for the French Navy, when after building a new nuclear carrier of their very own - capable of defending French dependencies and intersts half the time, so France will not be threatening when CdG's up on blocks in the dock - only to discover that the only available AEW a/c came from the US - but while saving a few francs, the designers had almost shaved away enough flight deck to operate them). TMO |
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A Guy Called Tyketto wrote: I was watching the PBS documentary they were showing this week about AF1, and as they had shown the progression from the planes used back in Franklin Roosevelt's tenure as President, to the B707 from Kennedy to Reagan, to the current AF1 (at least that they showed in the documentary, since Bush Jr. was in it), to be a B742 variant. It got me wondering... The B742 is just about all phased out, with the B744 and the B777 doing the majority of the long haul runs of the Boeing line (yes, the 767 series is there, but doesn't have the range of the 747 and 777), So, what would do you think the US gov't would do for the B742's version of AF1's replacement? Does the Gov't have a contract with Airbus, which could present the A380? Someone's offering Airbus A340-600 : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/konnek-t/Info/index.html (towards the middle of the page) |
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Hash: SHA1 In rec.aviation.piloting Matthew Waugh wrote: You don't care, you won't be around. They flew the 707 until the only other operators were flying dodgy cargo trips into South America with it. They'll fly the 747 until the same situation applies. Then they'll buy American, even if that means a Citation X because Boeing bit the big one. Mat Actually, I do care. otherwise, I wouldn't have posted. I thought it was interesting about the succession of aircrafts used as Air Force One, and wanted to get people's opinions on which would be the next in the line. But since you seem to know how I feel and what my thoughts are, then you should know that with a post like this, I wouldn't care what you thought. But I digress. BL. - -- Brad Littlejohn | Email: Unix Systems Administrator, | Web + NewsMaster, BOFH.. Smeghead! | http://www.wizard.com/~tyketto PGP: 1024D/E319F0BF 6980 AAD6 7329 E9E6 D569 F620 C819 199A E319 F0BF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/CStmyBkZmuMZ8L8RAh62AKD2doFBHmbkDQTUNumoknzHGMvK6Q CdGT2m Klg0Hu4HVpuFBcqQXY1bvX0= =+531 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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TMOliver writes
I can see it now....next AF1 built by a reincarnation of the preWWII Polish PZL (with electrical system by Lucas...) I'm not sure whether they are still in business, but PZL were quite recently building Mi-2 and Mi-14 helicopters under licence. And they are still immortalised for many glider enthusiasts for their rate of climb/descent indicator often referred to as "the PZL". -- Simon Elliott http://www.ctsn.co.uk/ |
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Binyamin Dissen writes
On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 20:07:14 +0000 (UTC) "Jean-Pierre" wrote: :Maybe buy European Airbus and show some solidarity with Europe rather than :it always being the other way round Yeah, you Europeans were a real help in WW2. I'm pleased to learn that we Europeans had so little to do with WW2. Takes a load off my mind. I'd hate to think that my parents' generation really had to go through any of that stuff. The story of London and other British cities being bombed by the Luftwaffe was probably made up by 1960s planners as an excuse for some of their bad discussions. All those who sailed under the white duster, burning with 100-octane filled tankers, or freezing in the water, unpaid after the first torpedo hit their ship: safety standards weren't what they are now, or perhaps the shipowners did it for the insurance? The squadrons of British, French, Czech, Polish fighter pilots? Probably drinking tea in the mess while the Eagle Squadrons did most of the real fighting. Jan Kubis and Joseph Gabcik? Probably bull****ters. Reinhard Heydrich was a notorious bad driver. I was talking to an elderly man the other day. He was reminiscing about flying Lancaster bombers over the Ruhr. It's a relief to know from your comments that he's probably senile and his memories are playing him false. Poor chap, he probably thinks that most of his colleagues died in action, when actually he's just forgotten their phone numbers. Then there was the father of a friend, who allegedly was given the responsibility of documenting one of the concentration camps in Germany, immediately after it had been liberated by allied forces. There must be some other reason why he never slept too well after WW2. -- Simon Elliott http://www.ctsn.co.uk/ |
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The story of London and other British cities being bombed by the Luftwaffe was probably made up by 1960s planners as an excuse for some of their bad discussions. I think the poster was perfectly willing to admit the role of Europeans as aggressors and victims during WWII, just not as victors. (I don't know how he regarded the Russians--perhaps as Asians.) all the best -- Dan Ford email: www.danford.net/letters.htm#9 see the Warbird's Forum at http://www.danford.net/index.htm Vietnam | Flying Tigers | Pacific War | Brewster Buffalo | Piper Cub |
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Simon Elliott wrote: I'm not sure whether they are still in business They sure still are : http://www.adventureaviation.com/PZL.htm |
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Gilles KERMARC writes
I'm not sure whether they are still in business They sure still are : http://www.adventureaviation.com/PZL.htm Cool. Thanks for the update. -- Simon Elliott http://www.ctsn.co.uk/ |
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