If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#31
|
|||
|
|||
"Ron Natalie" wrote in message om...
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message nk.net... "BTIZ" wrote in message news:vJqbc.69606$1I5.24219@fed1read01... But I did not think he said anything about changing the floor of the airspace for weather, he stated that the lower floor provides transistions for IFR pilots to get close to the airport, and CLEAR OF VFR traffic in marginal weather, that should be remaining in Class G and not Class E where the approach may dump them off. He said; "Those circles aren't to keep VFR pilots safe when the weather is marginal. They are to lower the floor of controlled airspace for the benefit of IFR pilots." Correct. The transition area lowers the floor of controlled airspace. I never said it had anything to do with changing weather conditions. The first sentence was to refute the hypothesis of the original poster. As the original poster, the only thing that can even be close to a hypothesis is my suspicion that VFR pilots take advantage of the Class E/G boundary by shooting T&Gs below 700 feet AGL. How does that first sentence "refute" that? And, for the record, the purpose of my post was to find out if anyone actually made use of the information conveyed by the magenta circles, or if most people found them as useless as I do. |
#32
|
|||
|
|||
Sorry... Forgot to mention the concept of cancelling in
the air once airport is in sight... NY likes it much better that way... John Price CFII/AGI/IGI http://home.att.net/~jm.price "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net... "john price" wrote in message ... The fact that VFR minimums in class G are 1 mile and clear of clouds is not to encourage VFR pilots to go fly in that, but to make it legal for instrument pilots to complete approaches where the visibility minimums are 1 mile in the class G airspace... VFR minimums have nothing to do with IFR approaches. |
#33
|
|||
|
|||
I'll usually cancel when my home field is in sight and I know
I have it made... As long as it's safe... It's a courtesy both to ATC and anyone else that may want to do an approach to or depart from one of the 6 airports in the area with approaches off of the same VOR... I know when I'm trying to get a release and someone is on an approach to one of those airports and I'm waiting for someone to get on the ground and cancel on the phone, it's a bit annoying... Particularly if they forget... John Price CFII/AGI/IGi http://home.att.net/~jm.price "Richard Kaplan" wrote in message s.com... "john price" wrote in message ... The fact that VFR minimums in class G are 1 mile and clear of clouds is not to encourage VFR pilots to go fly in that, but to make it legal for instrument pilots to complete approaches where the visibility minimums are 1 mile in the class G airspace... With visibility of 1 mile I would never cancel IFR until I am on the ground. Thus how would the VFR weather rules affect my flight other than by settting cloud distance requirements for VFR airplanes in Class E airspace? -- Richard Kaplan, CFII www.flyimc.com |
#34
|
|||
|
|||
And, for the record, the purpose of my post was to find out if anyone actually made use of the information conveyed by the magenta circles, or if most people found them as useless as I do. Well, I am conscious that if I were ever scud-running home, I would have to get down to an uncomfortable altitude once I got within xx miles of my home airport. That would incline me to land elsewhere, in the unlikely event that I hadn't done so already. That would be making use of the information, wouldn't it? all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com Viva Bush! blog www.vivabush.org |
#35
|
|||
|
|||
"john price" wrote in message ... Sorry... Forgot to mention the concept of cancelling in the air once airport is in sight... NY likes it much better that way... Be careful there... if controlled airspace exists below 1200 feet and you break out of the clouds at 1000 feet with the runway in sight so you cancel IFR, you have just broken the minimum cloud separation requirement for VFR flight. -- Richard Kaplan, CFII www.flyimc.com |
#36
|
|||
|
|||
"john price" wrote in message
... Sorry... Forgot to mention the concept of cancelling in the air once airport is in sight... NY likes it much better that way... This obviously helps if your cancelling lets the following aircraft carry on with the approach. It also helps if you are the following aircraft, and the pilot in front is on the ground or in sight, without having canceled. If you do that, would it be helpful to let ATC know you're continuing the (now, practice) approach under VFR? -- David Brooks |
#37
|
|||
|
|||
I'm talking about real approaches... With real weather...
John Price CFII/AGI/IGI http://home.att.net/~jm.price "David Brooks" wrote in message ... "john price" wrote in message ... Sorry... Forgot to mention the concept of cancelling in the air once airport is in sight... NY likes it much better that way... This obviously helps if your cancelling lets the following aircraft carry on with the approach. It also helps if you are the following aircraft, and the pilot in front is on the ground or in sight, without having canceled. If you do that, would it be helpful to let ATC know you're continuing the (now, practice) approach under VFR? -- David Brooks |
#38
|
|||
|
|||
"Ron Natalie" wrote in message m... The transition area floor is LOWER than it would be if there were no transition area. It's a local dropping of the controlled airspace floor from 1200 (typically) to 700. Correct. Everybody else seems to understand what I'm saying except for you. Stop and try to think about the real issue rather than trying to generate as much confusion as possible. I understand you didn't intend to imply the floor of controlled airspace varied with weather or type of operation. If you put more thought into your writing you'll generate less confusion. |
#39
|
|||
|
|||
"David Brooks" wrote in message ... This obviously helps if your cancelling lets the following aircraft carry on with the approach. It also helps if you are the following aircraft, and the pilot in front is on the ground or in sight, without having canceled. If you do that, would it be helpful to let ATC know you're continuing the (now, practice) approach under VFR? No. |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Ice meteors, climate, sceptics | Brian Sandle | General Aviation | 43 | February 24th 04 12:27 AM |