If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#11
|
|||
|
|||
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net... "Colin Campbell" (remove underscore) wrote in message ... Actually, no. The military does not have arrest powers for any persons not under the UCMJ. What happens in real life is that - for minor offenses - the subject is cited with a mandatory court appearance before a US Magistrate. For serious offenses the subject is detained pending the arrival of the US Marshals or FBI (who conduct the arrest). (I spent a year pulling 'Military Police Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at Ft Lewis not long ago and I got to be an expert on jurisdictional issues.) So if a civilian commits an offense on a military installation the military police have no power to seize and hold him? Here's a hypothetical. Foreign teenager caught at nuclear storage facility doing nothing more than shooting rats at the facility rubbish dump (not a specifically "secure" area). What's going to happen to him/her? -- The Raven http://www.80scartoons.co.uk/batfinkquote.mp3 ** President of the ozemail.* and uunet.* NG's ** since August 15th 2000. |
#12
|
|||
|
|||
"The Raven" wrote in message ... Here's a hypothetical. Foreign teenager caught at nuclear storage facility doing nothing more than shooting rats at the facility rubbish dump (not a specifically "secure" area). What's going to happen to him/her? Well, according to Colin Campbell, who spent a year pulling 'Military Police Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at Ft Lewis not long ago and got to be an expert on jurisdictional issues, he won't be arrested. I guess that leaves "nothing" or "he/she will be shot" as the only alternatives. |
#13
|
|||
|
|||
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net... "The Raven" wrote in message ... Here's a hypothetical. Foreign teenager caught at nuclear storage facility doing nothing more than shooting rats at the facility rubbish dump (not a specifically "secure" area). What's going to happen to him/her? Well, according to Colin Campbell, who spent a year pulling 'Military Police Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at Ft Lewis not long ago and got to be an expert on jurisdictional issues, he won't be arrested. I guess that leaves "nothing" or "he/she will be shot" as the only alternatives. Now what if they we're the child of someone serving in a foreign military force (eg. "good guys")? -- The Raven http://www.80scartoons.co.uk/batfinkquote.mp3 ** President of the ozemail.* and uunet.* NG's ** since August 15th 2000. |
#15
|
|||
|
|||
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:11:40 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote: "The Raven" wrote in message ... Here's a hypothetical. Foreign teenager caught at nuclear storage facility doing nothing more than shooting rats at the facility rubbish dump (not a specifically "secure" area). What's going to happen to him/her? Well, according to Colin Campbell, who spent a year pulling 'Military Police Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at Ft Lewis not long ago and got to be an expert on jurisdictional issues, he won't be arrested. I guess that leaves "nothing" or "he/she will be shot" as the only alternatives. Chuckle...Colin didn't say that...he said that usually a summons to appear before a federal magistrate was issued for minor problems...and if the problem wasn't minor, then the offender was held pending arrest by either the FBI or the US Marshals. ck -- country doc in louisiana (no fancy sayings right now) |
#16
|
|||
|
|||
Subject: Left can't read well nor do they understand Constitution
From: charles krin Date: 1/16/04 7:03 AM Pacific ck -- country doc in louisiana (no fancy sayings right now) Do you know Dr. Paul Shorts in Lake Charles? Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
#17
|
|||
|
|||
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:47:12 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote: "Colin Campbell" (remove underscore) wrote in message ... What happens in real life is that - for minor offenses - the subject is cited with a mandatory court appearance before a US Magistrate. For serious offenses the subject is detained pending the arrival of the US Marshals or FBI (who conduct the arrest). So if a civilian commits an offense on a military installation the military police have no power to seize and hold him? Did you read what I posted? "It's not American foreign policy, or the plight of the Palestinians, or America's longstanding support for Israel. A group of people with money and weaponry have simply decided that we, as a civilization, are unfit to live, and want, eventally, to exterminate us." 'Christian Century' magazine |
#18
|
|||
|
|||
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net...
"Colin Campbell" (remove underscore) wrote in message ... Actually, no. The military does not have arrest powers for any persons not under the UCMJ. What happens in real life is that - for minor offenses - the subject is cited with a mandatory court appearance before a US Magistrate. For serious offenses the subject is detained pending the arrival of the US Marshals or FBI (who conduct the arrest). (I spent a year pulling 'Military Police Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at Ft Lewis not long ago and I got to be an expert on jurisdictional issues.) So if a civilian commits an offense on a military installation the military police have no power to seize and hold him? Of course they do. They just don't have the power to arrest him. |
#19
|
|||
|
|||
"RTO Trainer" wrote in message om... "Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message ink.net... "Colin Campbell" (remove underscore) wrote in message ... Actually, no. The military does not have arrest powers for any persons not under the UCMJ. What happens in real life is that - for minor offenses - the subject is cited with a mandatory court appearance before a US Magistrate. For serious offenses the subject is detained pending the arrival of the US Marshals or FBI (who conduct the arrest). (I spent a year pulling 'Military Police Duty Officer' 3-4x a month at Ft Lewis not long ago and I got to be an expert on jurisdictional issues.) So if a civilian commits an offense on a military installation the military police have no power to seize and hold him? Of course they do. They just don't have the power to arrest him. Military police are not trained to collect evidence for a civilian prosecution and therefore they wait for help in these matters. The person is already arrested when the military seizes them, but the military police are not trained for an investigation leading to a conviction, in civilian courts. |
#20
|
|||
|
|||
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:06:11 +1100, "The Raven"
wrote: Here's a hypothetical. Foreign teenager caught at nuclear storage facility doing nothing more than shooting rats at the facility rubbish dump (not a specifically "secure" area). What's going to happen to him/her? Your hypothetical does not work. First of all, an armed person attempting to improperly gain entry into a 'Level A' security site would be shot without warning. If he were simply on the base proper - he would be disarmed and a investigation would be made to determine if he had permission to be on the base (ie signed in as a guest, hunting/fishing permit, contractor employee, etc). If he was signed in as a guest then the sponsor would be collected up for a 'nice' talk with the CI (Counter Intelligence) folks. Since his status would be both as a foreign national and a juvenile - the FBI would be called and he would be turned over to them (for some rather complex legal reasons we cannot 'cite and release' certain people). The 'on call' JAG lawyer would come by and present him with a 'Bar Letter' (making it a felony for him to ever come back on post). BTW, the firearm would be seized and eventually destroyed. "It's not American foreign policy, or the plight of the Palestinians, or America's longstanding support for Israel. A group of people with money and weaponry have simply decided that we, as a civilization, are unfit to live, and want, eventally, to exterminate us." 'Christian Century' magazine |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
BrandNew-Vector Heavy Duty Plastic Construction Tape Dispenser 13 Peaces Left | [email protected] | Aviation Marketplace | 0 | April 29th 04 11:43 PM |
USAF = US Amphetamine Fools | RT | Military Aviation | 104 | September 25th 03 03:17 PM |
I'd like to read an STC | Michael Horowitz | Home Built | 2 | August 28th 03 06:19 AM |
Left or Right? | Daniel | Home Built | 9 | August 23rd 03 07:15 AM |