US Air Force survival gun?

In article , Jim Yanik
wrote:

(Harry Andreas) wrote in
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Titanium would be hideously expensive for a survival weapon,
especially as applied to moving parts in a gun.
And the light weight would create eye-tearing recoil.
Any bear defense load would generate too much recoil.

Smith & Wesson makes a titanium/scandium .357 Magnum revolver,and the
recoil I'm told is hard,but still useable.
They may also make a .44Mag model,I'm not sure.

I'm familiar with the S&W Titanium.

He was talking about a shotgun though, and a 12 Ga slug load
generates about 10X the specific impulse of a .357 load.
Ouch.

--
Harry Andreas
Engineering raconteur

Nope, aircrews use the M9 Beretta. Some SOF aircrews carry the short
version of the M-16.

--
Les
F-4C(WW),D,E,G(WW)/AC-130A/MC-130E EWO (ret)


"Harry Andreas" wrote in message
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In article Dqxhc.33883$fq4.8309@lakeread05, "Bruce W.1"
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AFAIK, aircrews use the M11 which is a Sig compact.

--
Harry Andreas
Engineering raconteur


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"Bruce W.1" wrote in message
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I would not want to have to use a Baretta 9mm for survival. But that
seems to be what our AF is stuck with. Maybe the whole notion of having
to survive in the wild is a thing of the past, what with GPS, satellite
beacons and all.

Times have changed. "Surviving" off the land isn't really emphasized all
that much anymore. Its about evading and getting rescued. Any survival
issues are generally assumed to be short term in nature.

"DavidG35" wrote:

The AF stopped packing AR-7s in their kits many moons ago (I packed them)
the question should be for where you are back packing what are the
threats/needs for a weapon? if you want it just for "in case" just get an
inexpensive .38 to strap on your hip and get some incendiaries rounds for
it. If theres an actual possible threat as far as animals then go with the
appropriate shotgun since you would not be shooting too far and it
eliminates the problem nicely, even if you miss!
Thats my 2 cents,
GMAN

Did you boys hear about the grizzly that someone shot in,
Alaska(?) I think?...bugger weighed around 1800 pounds. Supposed
to be the biggest Grizzly in the world. Had eaten two guys before
someone shot it with a 7(?)MM rifle. I have horrible pix
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-Gord.

"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
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"DavidG35" wrote:

The AF stopped packing AR-7s in their kits many moons ago (I packed them)
the question should be for where you are back packing what are the
threats/needs for a weapon? if you want it just for "in case" just get an
inexpensive .38 to strap on your hip and get some incendiaries rounds for
it. If theres an actual possible threat as far as animals then go with
the
appropriate shotgun since you would not be shooting too far and it
eliminates the problem nicely, even if you miss!
Thats my 2 cents,
GMAN

Did you boys hear about the grizzly that someone shot in,
Alaska(?) I think?...bugger weighed around 1800 pounds. Supposed
to be the biggest Grizzly in the world. Had eaten two guys before
someone shot it with a 7(?)MM rifle. I have horrible pix

If it was a 7mm, it was probably a 7mm Remington Magnum round. And those
fellers do get big, don't they? When I went to Alaska, my first stop was to
visit a buddy stationed at Wainright flying UH-1V medevac helos. We talked
before I flew up there and I told him I was also going to be heading down to
the southern area to do some solo fishing. He vetoed my plan to bring my .45
along as my bear-persuader; I'll never forget his words: "Look, you need to
bring a *real* gun; I have seen grizzlies out here so big that I won't even
fly my Huey down near them..." So I took the 12 ga--and saw zero bears.
(But, to give you the Paul Harvey "rest of the story", the following year a
lady was killed hiking along a creek I had fished just outside Anchorage, so
taking a gun was not an unwise decision).

Brooks

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-Gord.

In article , "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:

If it was a 7mm, it was probably a 7mm Remington Magnum round. And those
fellers do get big, don't they? When I went to Alaska, my first stop was to
visit a buddy stationed at Wainright flying UH-1V medevac helos. We talked
before I flew up there and I told him I was also going to be heading down to
the southern area to do some solo fishing. He vetoed my plan to bring my .45
along as my bear-persuader; I'll never forget his words: "Look, you need to
bring a *real* gun; I have seen grizzlies out here so big that I won't even
fly my Huey down near them..." So I took the 12 ga--and saw zero bears.
(But, to give you the Paul Harvey "rest of the story", the following year a
lady was killed hiking along a creek I had fished just outside Anchorage, so
taking a gun was not an unwise decision).

Pepper spray and .357's are OK for the local mountains here.
If camping where there are for sure grizzlies, then it's hello Mr. 12 Ga.
1 round of #4 buck in the chamber (to get his attention, maybe scare him off)
followed by 5 rounds of Foster type slugs. None of that sabot stuff.
At short range, the full weight foster or brenneke slugs work better.

--
Harry Andreas
Engineering raconteur

"Harry Andreas" wrote in message
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In article , "Kevin Brooks"
wrote:

If it was a 7mm, it was probably a 7mm Remington Magnum round. And those
fellers do get big, don't they? When I went to Alaska, my first stop was
to
visit a buddy stationed at Wainright flying UH-1V medevac helos. We
talked
before I flew up there and I told him I was also going to be heading
down to
the southern area to do some solo fishing. He vetoed my plan to bring my
..45
along as my bear-persuader; I'll never forget his words: "Look, you need
to
bring a *real* gun; I have seen grizzlies out here so big that I won't
even
fly my Huey down near them..." So I took the 12 ga--and saw zero bears.
(But, to give you the Paul Harvey "rest of the story", the following
year a
lady was killed hiking along a creek I had fished just outside
Anchorage, so
taking a gun was not an unwise decision).

Pepper spray and .357's are OK for the local mountains here.
If camping where there are for sure grizzlies, then it's hello Mr. 12 Ga.
1 round of #4 buck in the chamber (to get his attention, maybe scare him
off)
followed by 5 rounds of Foster type slugs. None of that sabot stuff.
At short range, the full weight foster or brenneke slugs work better.

I just carried a full load of slugs--figured he'd be big enough that I
couldn't miss, so no need for buckshot, and the only running shot I was
worried about was him coming dead *at* me. Sold the gun after I got back
home, being as I had no need for a slug-barreled gun around here (don't do
any deer hunting anymore).

Brooks


--
Harry Andreas
Engineering raconteur

On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:11:54 -0400, "Bruce W.1" wrote:

The US Air Force used to put a gun in their pilot survival packs, the
M-6 Scout. See: http://www.milesfortis.com/church/akc13.htm

Does anyone know what the Air Force uses today?

I'd really like to know because I'm looking for a survival gun to take
into the woods while backpacking. It must be as light in weight as
possible.

Thanks for your help.

Kel-Tech makes a nice 9mm or 40S&W (your choice) folding carbine.
I would guess that it weights about three pounds (unloaded).

Al Minyard

Alan Minyard wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:11:54 -0400, "Bruce W.1" wrote:

The US Air Force used to put a gun in their pilot survival packs, the
M-6 Scout. See: http://www.milesfortis.com/church/akc13.htm

Does anyone know what the Air Force uses today?

I'd really like to know because I'm looking for a survival gun to take
into the woods while backpacking. It must be as light in weight as
possible.

Thanks for your help.

Kel-Tech makes a nice 9mm or 40S&W (your choice) folding carbine.
I would guess that it weights about three pounds (unloaded).

Al Minyard

What pieces of crap. In WW2 Luftwaffe air crews had the incredible
Sauer Drilling that featured two shotgun barrels and a .375 mag rifle
combined. Add to that the 27mm Leuchtpistole that also fired grenades,
flares, sounding rounds, and Luftminen. Now that's firepower and
utility!
The US by comparison postwar had that ugly, ****ty M-6 scrap metal
survival gun and now they carry either compact 9s/40s/45s/or various
M-16 compact rifles depending on the crews and mission.
You would think they would do better than that.

Rob

"robert arndt" wrote in message
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Alan Minyard wrote in message
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 19:11:54 -0400, "Bruce W.1"
wrote:

The US Air Force used to put a gun in their pilot survival packs, the
M-6 Scout. See: http://www.milesfortis.com/church/akc13.htm

Does anyone know what the Air Force uses today?

I'd really like to know because I'm looking for a survival gun to take
into the woods while backpacking. It must be as light in weight as
possible.

Thanks for your help.

Kel-Tech makes a nice 9mm or 40S&W (your choice) folding carbine.
I would guess that it weights about three pounds (unloaded).

Al Minyard

What pieces of crap. In WW2 Luftwaffe air crews had the incredible
Sauer Drilling that featured two shotgun barrels and a .375 mag rifle
combined. Add to that the 27mm Leuchtpistole that also fired grenades,
flares, sounding rounds, and Luftminen. Now that's firepower and
utility!
The US by comparison postwar had that ugly, ****ty M-6 scrap metal
survival gun and now they carry either compact 9s/40s/45s/or various
M-16 compact rifles depending on the crews and mission.
You would think they would do better than that.

Gee, and your Aryan Super Race still lost the war--who'd have thunk it?

Brooks


Rob