Bible-beater pilots

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:22:35 +0100, Martin Hotze wrote:

Ah. I see. This is new to me. Thanks for the info.

I thought you were an expert on our failings?

G.R. Patterson III wrote:


Isn't there something in the Christian faith to the extent of "the Lord
helps those as helps themselves"?

Trust in Allah, but tether the camels.

- Andrew

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:08:08 GMT, Robert Perkins
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:31:05 +0100, Thomas Borchert
wrote:

Robert,

Experimentation is based on faith.


Huh?

Most of the diatribe against faith posted around here is directed
against what those in my church call "blind faith", or faith without
submitting the subject matter to a test. But it isn't at all what I've
meant by "faith" since about the age of 15.

Since you have admittedly invented your own definition, you should post
it here.

In scientific method, you advance your hypothesis and propose a test.
Publish it. Anyone who acts to submit your hypothesis to that test is
acting on faith in that hypothesis.

That has nothing to do with faith, in that the outcome of the experiment
is not assumed before it is carried out. If someone said "Hey, that
sounds like a neat experiment, but I don't need to perform it because I
know what the result will be" - that is faith.

If it's proven out, that faith becomes knowledge.

There was never any faith in the first place. Unless you mean the faith
that the experimenter had in his own ability to perform the experiment
correctly?

If not, toss the
hypothesis on the scrap heap and wait for or formulate refinements.

Well sure, but there is still no faith involved.

Rob





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On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:31:02 +0100, Thomas Borchert wrote:

Uh, yes? Look at what state the world is in because of people believing
in God, Allah and Buddha. Seems to me it's pretty important how we deal
with these myths.

Out of curiosity, what has Budda done to hurt the world? Starvation? I
don't remember off the top of my head bad things from that belief system.

I think you're missing the point that it's not religion that's caused
trouble by itself, look at what Hitler managed all by himself. Check out
Cambodia, lots of bad things have happened to the world without religion
being the fault, so your theory that the world is in the shape it's in now
due to religion does not ring completely true.

I'm a believer in humanity doing it's best to kill itself off with
whatever means they can. It's the selfish that will lead the way, those
who want it because I'm stronger, the strong will attack the weak and take
it from them.

Look at a baby. A baby does not know religion right? Yet a baby will
fight another baby for a toy that the other one takes away, could you
imagine adults behaving that way, only now they have guns, tanks, bombs
and will use them to take what they want. There is no way the human race
is where it is due to religion, it's there because of how humanity is from
birth to death. In between we hope to learn manners, but not all do.

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:58:36 -0500, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:

Isn't there something in the Christian faith to the extent of "the Lord helps
those as helps themselves"?

My uncle tried that line out on officer O'Reilly the night he got his
hand stuck in the Poor Box.

"Uncle Eight Fingers,"* we called him.

Don
*Well, ya see, he tried it a couple a times.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message
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"H. Adam Stevens" wrote:

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message

Correct. Now. Who's claiming that Congress has made such a law and
what
law is
it that they made?

Placing "Under God" in the pledge of alliegance.

They passed a *law* to do that?

Yes...in 1954, I believe.

There is nothing like religion or politics to get the juices
flowing. This thread, and the one on JFK drew more responses
than anything in recent memory. However, neither has much
relevance to rec.aviation.piloting - IMHO.

Solo in '67 at 17 years old; I trust in me.
The universe I live in is13.7 billion years old, or thereabouts.
I have no idea why the universe exists, but I have a very clear picture how
it works.
There are countries and histories older than all religions.
Public education has failed miserably.
But tether the camels anyway.
;^))))))))

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
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G.R. Patterson III wrote:


Isn't there something in the Christian faith to the extent of "the Lord
helps those as helps themselves"?

Trust in Allah, but tether the camels.

- Andrew

Robert,

If they trusted in God, they wouldn't have taken matters into their
own hands, IMO.


that's ridiculous! Look back in history! Look at all the harm religious
people have brought over the world.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Robert,

in scientific method, you advance your hypothesis and propose a test.


Yep.

In religion, that's never done.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)