OSH Disappointments

A real ME-109 at the show? I don't think so.
The Hispano Ha-1112 was built in Spain under license from Messerschmitt.
They were initially powered by Hispano-Suiza engines, later by Rolls Royce
Merlins.

Although technically correct, it's kind of like pointing out that the
Corsairs on the field this year weren't built by Chance-Vought. (I believe
they were built under license by Goodyear.)

Does that make them non-Corsairs?

Whatever, the plane was very, VERY cool. It just oozed evil, kinda like
the last scene in "Raiders of the Lost Ark" where the box containing the Ark
burns the swastika off from within...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

But maybe blacks in America weren't allowed to move on. Maybe after
centuries of slavery and violent discrimination they couldn't.

I know a few African-American University of Iowa professors and employees
who would kick your ass for saying that. Over a beer (after they've dusted
you off) they would tell you all day long that success in this country is
open to ALL, only requiring an education and hard work.

Or are you implying otherwise?

Can you possibly consider the idea that the african experience with
discrimination was far worse than white immigrants, and maybe now most
of the country, including lots of whites, are uncomfortable to a small
or large degree with anything associated with the word "confederate"?

To be uncomfortable over a cute joke about an event that occurred over 140
years ago says a lot more about the people who are upset than it does about
those of us who think the whole controversy is silly.

But the job is done. And the beat goes on.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay,

Over a beer (after they've dusted
you off) they would tell you all day long that success in this country is
open to ALL, only requiring an education and hard work.


Well, I'd hope for them that they'd be drunk senseless before they said
anything remotely as stupid as that.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:7nDRc.253451$JR4.113312@attbi_s54...
Lest any of you think that I'm so google-eyed about Oshkosh that I can't
find anything to bitch about, here are a few nits I'd like to pick:


This is the year that tore it for me. After we had the tent set, up a
jet was brought in and parked with both engines pointing towards us.
In retrospect, I should have either left or raised a record amount of
hell. When another jet was brought in behind us I flagged down one of
the scooter guys and asked him what the procedure would be for getting
them out safely. My hope was that they would force him to get a tow.
Certainly when I camped at Fond du Lac last year there was no problem
getting one. (I got a tow for my lowly Archer because I didn't want
to blow down the tents behind me.) The scooter guy laughed at me and
said we'd "probably get our asses blown all over creation". I hadn't
ever been close enough to a turbine to be 100% sure that my concerns
were even warranted. One afternoon as I returned to camp with my two
sons we saw that the jet was leaving. I had both boys run to safety
while I went to the tent to see what I could do. As he tried to taxi
away it became clear that the tent was going to break free and go into
the Cessna behind me. In a moment of incredible stupidity I decided
to try to hold it down. I think that if I weighed five lbs. less I
would have seen what it was like to fly like Superman. Finally his
wheels broke free and he turned to the right, ripping my rain fly down
a seam. The Baron owner between the jet and me found tent stakes six
feet from the remains of his tent. I'm not sure that I wouldn't have
been impaled by one of them if he'd had to use any more thrust.

I don't know what kind of flames this post may draw but I certainly
accept that I could have done more to avoid the problem and that
trying to save the tent and the Cessna was waaaay stupid. But I can
only change my own behavior, I don't have the influence or the energy
to teach basic safety to the EAA. They have lost a member and if I
ever attend another show I will fly in to Fond du Lac and take the
bus.

YMMV. Use the information or ignore it, your choice. It's incredible
that any organization can put on an event of this size with volunteer
labor. I applaud them for the good work that they do. But 2004 was
the end of the line for me. I won't knowingly put my aircraft in a
position like this again, let alone my family.

Tom

Over a beer (after they've dusted
you off) they would tell you all day long that success in this country
is
open to ALL, only requiring an education and hard work.


Well, I'd hope for them that they'd be drunk senseless before they said
anything remotely as stupid as that.

Wow -- what a blatantly prejudicial, inflammatory statement!

A new record -- even for usenet.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

This is the year that tore it for me. After we had the tent set, up a
jet was brought in and parked with both engines pointing towards us.

big snip

Man, that's terrible. I don't blame you for being upset to the point of
quitting EAA.

I saw a couple of jets parked in the North 40 (was that where this took
place?), and marveled at the stupidity of parking them there. I, too,
assumed they would get a tow, at least into the open row between the tents,
before starting.

I also wondered how those turbines would handle the inevitable FOD that
comes from parking in the grass. My wing step had OSH grass wrapped around
it when we landed in Iowa City...

I would hope that in the future the EAA volunteers send these jet-jockeys
over to the Basler ramp, where they rightfully belong.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On 11 Aug 2004 10:08:33 -0700, (Tom) wrote:

... The scooter guy laughed at me and
said we'd "probably get our asses blown all over creation". ...

The day that I rode scooters for Vintage, our briefer said that planes
should be pushed out into the taxiway before startup precisely to
avoid doing any damage to tents.

Dunno why your scooter guy or your jet jockey was so cavalier
about the tents and planes behind the aircraft. It certainly isn't
EAA policy.

... They have lost a member ...

You oughta write them directly. I doubt that anyone in the
hierarchy is following this group.

Marty

Yes, as a blonde haired blue eyed American, I've experienced racism
while living in Germany. Though I spoke good German, my accent
betrayed the fact that was an "auslander" and when calling for
apartments for rent I was either told the apartment was "already gone"
or more simply "sorry, we don't rent to foreigners/Americans et al".

In addition to the Confederate issue, it is important for us to
consider that slavery persisted much much much longer under the
"American" flag than it ever did under the "Confederate" flag.
Remember, Liconln didn't "free" the slaves until almost TWO YEARS
into the civil war. If the war were truly about slavery, then all
northerners of good conscience would have insisted that freeing the
slaves should have been the first order of business. No? History shows
us that ,instead capturing ports and cotton stocks were!

It's not only a disappointment of the CAF's appearance at OSH, it's
the cow-towing to people who seek to wash away their collective guilt
by changing the name of a group of some of the finest planes in the
world....that's depressing. :-(


Bob Fry wrote in message ...
"Jay Honeck" writes:

But I suppose you haven't heard much about this -- know why? Cuz Germans
aren't whiners. They got educations, worked hard, and moved on.

Irish were discriminated against too, as well as Poles, Chinese,
Hispanic, and probably every other immigrant group.

But maybe blacks in America weren't allowed to move on. Maybe after
centuries of slavery and violent discrimination they couldn't.

Frankly, Jay, attitudes like the above make it hard to move on. People
with genuine differences of opinion are implicitly criticized as not
being educated, not working hard, not able to move on, not having a
brain stem. There's no shades or subtlety allowed: someone is either
with you or against you. Hmm...where else have we heard that?

Can you possibly consider the idea that the african experience with
discrimination was far worse than white immigrants, and maybe now most
of the country, including lots of whites, are uncomfortable to a small
or large degree with anything associated with the word "confederate"?
So as others posted, a large majority of the membership of the CAF
voted to change the name: more accurate, less offensive.

Why not respect at least the membership and call it what they want to?

"Steve F." wrote in message
om...

In addition to the Confederate issue, it is important for us to
consider that slavery persisted much much much longer under the
"American" flag than it ever did under the "Confederate" flag.


And much much much much much much longer under the "British" flag than under
the "American" flag.

Jay,

Come on. I mean no disrespect to your professors, and I doubt you have
"cleared" that quasi-quotation with them, but
"...success open to all, requiring only education and hard work" - even
you know that's utter BS. There's simply no debate, at all.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)