X-country training flight

Should I file individual legs? I don't need to land. If I file individual
legs should I let the controller know before the approach that I'd like to
open the next leg at the missed?

Thanks!

dlevy wrote:
Should I file individual legs? I don't need to land. If I file individual
legs should I let the controller know before the approach that I'd like to
open the next leg at the missed?

In theory, you should be able to file a single IFR flight plan that
covers your entire flight, with delays at each intermediate point. I
just filed the following with DUATS:

1 Type of flight plan: IFR
2 Aircraft tail number: N25629
3 Acft type/special equip: P28A/U
4 True airspeed: 130
5 Departure point: HPN
6 Departure time: (UTC) Mon Dec 6 20:00
7 Altitude: 30
8 Route of flight: CMK V3 HFD IJD/D0+05 HFD V3 CMK 4104/07342
9 Destination: HPN
10 Estimated time enroute: 0400
11 Remarks:
12 Fuel on board: 0500
13 Alternate destination(s):
14 Pilot's name: ROY H SMITH
Address: XXX
Phone no.: 999-555-5555
Aircraft home base: HPN
15 Number aboard: 1
16 Color of aircraft: WHITE/BLUE
17 Dest contact name:
Phone no.:

and the computer accepted it. The "IJD/D0+05" means "delay for 5
minutes at IJD". I suppose for a touch-and-go, I could have made it
"IJD/D0+01".

Oddly enough, when I first entered the flight plan, it said "Inserting
lat/long (4104/07342) for HPN to ensure ARTCC flight plan acceptance",
and generated a remark (field 11), "..4104/07342.. IS HPN". I never
changed that field, but by the time I filed it, the field somehow got
cleared. No clue why.

In practice, however, I think you will find it simplier to just file a
separate flight plan for each leg. It seems to be what ATC deals with
best (at least around here). My guess is if I actually called up the
tower to get my clearance, I'd just get a clearance to IJD and be told
I'd get the rest once I got there.

As you said, when you request your approach clearance, just tell the
controller that your intention is to fly the published missed then
pick up your clearance to XXX.

Thanks. I appreciate your time to explain.

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...
dlevy wrote:
Should I file individual legs? I don't need to land. If I file
individual
legs should I let the controller know before the approach that I'd like
to
open the next leg at the missed?

In theory, you should be able to file a single IFR flight plan that
covers your entire flight, with delays at each intermediate point. I
just filed the following with DUATS:

1 Type of flight plan: IFR
2 Aircraft tail number: N25629
3 Acft type/special equip: P28A/U
4 True airspeed: 130
5 Departure point: HPN
6 Departure time: (UTC) Mon Dec 6 20:00
7 Altitude: 30
8 Route of flight: CMK V3 HFD IJD/D0+05 HFD V3 CMK 4104/07342
9 Destination: HPN
10 Estimated time enroute: 0400
11 Remarks:
12 Fuel on board: 0500
13 Alternate destination(s):
14 Pilot's name: ROY H SMITH
Address: XXX
Phone no.: 999-555-5555
Aircraft home base: HPN
15 Number aboard: 1
16 Color of aircraft: WHITE/BLUE
17 Dest contact name:
Phone no.:

and the computer accepted it. The "IJD/D0+05" means "delay for 5
minutes at IJD". I suppose for a touch-and-go, I could have made it
"IJD/D0+01".

Oddly enough, when I first entered the flight plan, it said "Inserting
lat/long (4104/07342) for HPN to ensure ARTCC flight plan acceptance",
and generated a remark (field 11), "..4104/07342.. IS HPN". I never
changed that field, but by the time I filed it, the field somehow got
cleared. No clue why.

In practice, however, I think you will find it simplier to just file a
separate flight plan for each leg. It seems to be what ATC deals with
best (at least around here). My guess is if I actually called up the
tower to get my clearance, I'd just get a clearance to IJD and be told
I'd get the rest once I got there.

As you said, when you request your approach clearance, just tell the
controller that your intention is to fly the published missed then
pick up your clearance to XXX.

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...

8 Route of flight: CMK V3 HFD IJD/D0+05 HFD V3 CMK 4104/07342
Phone no.:

and the computer accepted it. The "IJD/D0+05" means "delay for 5
minutes at IJD". I suppose for a touch-and-go, I could have made it
"IJD/D0+01".


Now there's an arcane little tidbit. :-)

I assume D is for Delay, and 0+05 is H+MM?

I never knew how to file for a through clearance other than in remarks.

Stan

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Stan Prevost wrote:

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
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8 Route of flight: CMK V3 HFD IJD/D0+05 HFD V3 CMK 4104/07342
Phone no.:

and the computer accepted it. The "IJD/D0+05" means "delay for 5
minutes at IJD". I suppose for a touch-and-go, I could have made it
"IJD/D0+01".


Now there's an arcane little tidbit. :-)

I assume D is for Delay, and 0+05 is H+MM?

Exactly.

I never knew how to file for a through clearance other than in remarks.

Neither did I before this morning :-) I did the old "ask the computer"
thing. Go into DUATs and select "be prompted for a flight plan".
When you get to the Route: prompt, type a "?" and follow the
instructions.

It remains to be seen what would happen if I actually asked for my
clearance. Just because DUAT accepts it, doesn't mean ATC won't
barf. I think I'll try it for real the next time I'm on an IFR
training flight and see how it goes.

"dlevy" wrote in message
. ..
Should I file individual legs? I don't need to land. If I file
individual legs should I let the controller know before the approach that
I'd like to open the next leg at the missed?

Thanks!

When I did a similar thing, I put in the remarks section of the flight plan
PLA (practice low approach) at where ever and this never seemed to be a
problem. Then as the PLA airfield was approached, I just asked for the
appropriate approach with a miss and hold. Usually the approach controllers
just said to let then know when I wanted to move on and they cleared me on
my way.
It seemed really straight forward.

Chris

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...
dlevy wrote:
Should I file individual legs? I don't need to land. If I file
individual
legs should I let the controller know before the approach that I'd like
to
open the next leg at the missed?

In theory, you should be able to file a single IFR flight plan that
covers your entire flight, with delays at each intermediate point. I
just filed the following with DUATS:

In practice, however, I think you will find it simplier to just file a
separate flight plan for each leg. It seems to be what ATC deals with
best (at least around here). My guess is if I actually called up the
tower to get my clearance, I'd just get a clearance to IJD and be told
I'd get the rest once I got there.

Most of the time when I hear people on the radio who have tried this it has
not worked and the controller will admonish them to not file "the round
robin" but to file each of the legs separately. That is what I do and never
had a problem.


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"dlevy" wrote in message
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Should I file individual legs? I don't need to land. If I file
individual
legs should I let the controller know before the approach that I'd like to
open the next leg at the missed?

I think it depends a lot on how many sectors you're going to be crossing on
the flight. For instance, when I go from BED to do some approaches at MHT
(~40nm) I'll be worked by at least two approach controllers. When I call
800-WX-BRIEF it's a toss-up whether I get Burlington or Bridgeport. The guys
in Burlington usually say, "Oh, just do it as a round robin" and put that
in. Then I get to MHT, and after the first miss, approach goes into a tizzy
trying to figure out what to do next, and would usually end up filing a new
flight plan for us. Bridgeport OTOH would say file two flight plans, and
Manchester approach (now called Boston for some reason) would just give us a
new clearance and squawk after we're done swimming laps in their pool. In
this case what we would do is notify the approach controller when we first
check in after being handed off. "Boston Approach, Cessna 4955D with you at
3000, practice approaches at Manchester then looking for clearance back to
Bedford" or something similar usually did the trick.

OTOH you can go to BED, LWM, and BVY, with the same controller handling you
the whole time, and in this case I've always filed the round-robin and it's
never caused any confusion.

-cwk.

How are you accessing DUATS? Using web access, I can't find any option for
"be prompted for flight plan". And I searched everything I could find on
DUAT and DUATS and can't find the "delay" feature.

Stan


"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Stan Prevost wrote:

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...

8 Route of flight: CMK V3 HFD IJD/D0+05 HFD V3 CMK
4104/07342
Phone no.:

and the computer accepted it. The "IJD/D0+05" means "delay for 5
minutes at IJD". I suppose for a touch-and-go, I could have made it
"IJD/D0+01".


Now there's an arcane little tidbit. :-)

I assume D is for Delay, and 0+05 is H+MM?

Exactly.

I never knew how to file for a through clearance other than in remarks.

Neither did I before this morning :-) I did the old "ask the computer"
thing. Go into DUATs and select "be prompted for a flight plan".
When you get to the Route: prompt, type a "?" and follow the
instructions.

It remains to be seen what would happen if I actually asked for my
clearance. Just because DUAT accepts it, doesn't mean ATC won't
barf. I think I'll try it for real the next time I'm on an IFR
training flight and see how it goes.

Stan Prevost wrote:
How are you accessing DUATS? Using web access, I can't find any
option for "be prompted for flight plan". And I searched everything
I could find on DUAT and DUATS and can't find the "delay" feature.

We don' need no skinkin' web interface!

I just telnet in (telnet 131.131.7.102). If you watch carefully,
you'll notice that when you ask for a weather briefing, the CGI script
that's driving the web application does the same thing!

On the web, if you scroll down on the main page to the "FAA Flight
Plan Filing" section, then click on the "File" button on the right
hand margin, you'll get to a screen that lets you manually enter a
flight plan. I don't know how to get to the explaination/help stuff,
but it does let you enter the same /DH+MM notation.