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Let's Talk Bi-Polar; Life Is ****
On Apr 3, 11:26*am, thunderhoof wrote:
Actually figuring out how we got this way is CRUCIAL to self determination of who we WILL be. You cannot ignore the cause and wish yourself all better. You have to find the cause, root it out and replant a new beginning for yourself otherwise same crap different day. What if the source of so-called "bipolar disorder" and "narcissism" is not physical but is actually a misconception of the relative importance of the patient's ego, as regards to its interactions with the objective external world? Siddhartha Gautama (Shakamuni Buddha) mystically revealed that "all existence is suffering," and pointed towards a complicated eightfold noble path that would lead to liberation from the misery of *thinking* and trying to make the individual ego fit a resistant material universe... Sri Ramana Maharshi explained self-enquiry (Self Realization) in a simpler manner, from the beginning. Before embarking on a description of the technique itself it will be necessary to explain Sri Ramana Maharshi’s views on the nature of the mind since the aim of self-enquiry is to discover by direct experience, that the mind is non-existent. According to Sri Ramana Maharshi, every conscious activity of the mind or body revolves around the tacit assumption that there is an ‘I’ who is doing something. The common factor in ‘I think’, ‘I remember’, ‘I am acting’, is the ‘I’ who assumes that it is responsible for all these activities. Sri Ramana Maharshi called this common factor the ‘I’-thought (Aham- Vritti). Literally aham-vritti means ‘mental modification of ‘I’. The Self or real ‘I’ never imagines that it is doing or thinking anything; the ‘I’ that imagines all this is a mental fiction and so it is called a mental modification of the Self. Since this is a rather cumbersome translation of Aham-Vritti it is usually translated as ‘I’-thought. The first and foremost of all thoughts that arise in the mind is the primal 'I'-thought. It is only after the rise or origin of the 'I'-thought that innumerable other thoughts arise. In other words, only after the first personal pronoun, 'I', has arisen, do the second and third personal pronouns ('you, he' etc.) occur to the mind; and they cannot subsist without the former. Since every other thought can occur only after the rise of the 'I'- thought and since the mind is nothing but a bundle of thoughts, it is only through the inquiry 'Who am I?' that the mind subsides. Moreover, the integral 'I'-thought, implicit in such enquiry, having destroyed all other thoughts, gets itself destroyed or consumed, just as the stick used for stirring the burning funeral pyre gets consumed.... |
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On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 12:04:07 -0700 (PDT), Aham Brahmasmi wrote:
What if the source of so-called "bipolar disorder" and "narcissism" is not physical but is actually a misconception of the relative importance of the patient's ego, as regards to its interactions with the objective external world? Siddhartha Gautama (Shakamuni Buddha) mystically revealed that "all existence is suffering," and pointed towards a complicated eightfold noble path that would lead to liberation from the misery of *thinking* and trying to make the individual ego fit a resistant material universe... Sri Ramana Maharshi explained self-enquiry I thought you said you weren't a *GODDAMMEDN* Muslim? -- Mark inventor/artist/pilot/guitarist/scientist/philosopher/ scratch golfer/cat wrangler and observer of the mundane. And much much more including wealthy beyond anything you can imagine. My website http://www.hosanna1.com/ www.myspace.com/gayincarolina |
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On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 11:58:34 -0700 (PDT), Dr. LoBotomy wrote:
On Apr 3, 2:57*pm, Mark wrote: On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 11:32:38 -0700 (PDT), thunderhoof wrote: On Apr 3, 2:03*pm, Mark wrote: On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 22:00:15 -0700 (PDT), thunderhoof wrote: *You wrote: The problem now, is that once you are on meds for bp or any disorder for that matter, you cannot be taken off without *that* disorder returning (timing is everythin) Now wait a minute, *goddammit*. Psychotrophic drugs only sedate and mask. LOL I think you meant anti psychotic drugs. *Firstly PTSD patients don't necessarily get anti psychotics, I for one got prescribed a very low dose of anti anxieties which are totally different from anti psychotics. *They simply allowed me to stop shaking and crying whenever I had to get out of bed or face a real live person. FYI *Anti psychotic drugs do not MASK anything they re-wire the brain to prevent psychotic episodes and help the patient distinguish between reality and hallucination or fantasy. *Two different classes of drugs all together prescribed for two different classes of disorders entirely. Think of it this way PTSD is like an injury to the mind due to some horrible infliction by an outside force person or persons on the person who suffers from the PTSD. While BP is a disease of the actual brain matter itself. *WHO THE **** DO _YOU_ THINK YOU ARE?* Some Jew psychiatrist b/c you have a penis? I don't like moderated groups. They tend to just be one big pity party, with some little dictator censoring opinions. I've examined manic depression from many angles, so, we'll see what happens. I'll be bach. ****** Mark "alway's be sincere, even if you don't really mean it." PS I have a clitoris. Two sets of genitalia and mentally nutz...intensify other psychiatric syndromes such as post-traumatic stress disorder, dissociative disorders, borderline personality, and narcissistic personality disorders. Sound Familiar? ********Mark of the Forest http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Internet_tough_guy My life is so full, that I only have time to sleep 4 - 5 hours a night, as there is so much to do, and so many places to be. To think that these usenet games draw my attention...is laughable. Now, my coffee is ready and I will go. In a few days when I return, I will scan a few groups, see worthless noise which is attributed to me, and skip over it. To the unwary it will appear that I have time to argue with fools or care what they say. Ta ta. -- Mark inventor/artist/pilot/guitarist/scientist/philosopher/ scratch golfer/cat wrangler and observer of the mundane. And much much more including wealthy beyond anything you can imagine. My website http://www.hosanna1.com/ www.myspace.com/gayincarolina |
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On Apr 3, 12:11*pm, Mark wrote:
On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 12:04:07 -0700 (PDT), Aham Brahmasmi wrote: Sri Ramana Maharshi explained self-enquiry I thought you said you weren't a *GODDAMMEDN* Muslim? Unlike Christians, Catholics, and Muslims, Hindus are not "damned" to "hell" for all eternity. All will be liberated eventually. However, your problem which makes you suffer so much that you lash out in anger at total strangers is your overweening ego. You have no real understanding of who you are, so you suffer. Your self-inflicted suffering will continue for what *seems like* an eternity, but the universe will not care. But, on the day that you find out who you are, you will be liberated and you will laugh at yourself for taking so long to figure it out. |
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On Sat, Apr 03, 2010 at 11:26:17AM -0700, thunderhoof wrote:
On Apr 3, 1:59*pm, Mark wrote: On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 22:00:15 -0700 (PDT), thunderhoof wrote: BTW, PTSD is not the same as Bi Polar or Narcisism, or Manic Depression. *Manic depression isn't the same as Bi Polarism or Narcissism. *Narcissism isn't even close to the other disorders just listed, its more like psychopathy which is marked by a definative lack of empathy and compassion - often due to not being held enough loved enough or supported enough as a small child. ***** U* Its really less about how we got this way, and more about who we're going to become. A spirochete. Rapidly spreading across the world, causing people to act bipolar. Fortunately I don't have to take prescription meds. You know, clean livin', non smoker, non drinker. -- Mark inventor/artist/pilot/guitarist/scientist/philosopher/ scratch golfer/cat wrangler and observer of the mundane. And much much more including wealthy beyond anything you can imagine. My websitehttp://www.hosanna1.com/www.myspace.com/gayincarolina Whoa! **** ME? Did I touch a nerve with that particular part of my response to your particular brand of ignorance? Actually figuring out how we got this way is CRUCIAL to self determination of who we WILL be. You cannot ignore the cause and wish yourself all better. You have to find the cause, root it out and replant a new beginning for yourself otherwise same crap different day. Hey, all I see are more satisfied customers of the public education system. One billion-plus idiots can't be wrong. I've been reading through this thread and recognise your rage. Sincerely you really should get some help for that. He won't acknowledge a problem that has him as its origin. It is inconcevable to consider that the problem is in any way internal, and so it will always be the targets of his rancor who must adjust their attitude. Mark, self-styled hero of Usenet: safe to killfile. Regards, Steve -- Proud supporter of the "Let's Make English A Right-To-Left Language Campaign". Just for fun, and because it's better than legalizing pot. |
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On Sat, Apr 03, 2010 at 02:53:15PM -0400, Mark wrote:
On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 11:26:17 -0700 (PDT), thunderhoof wrote: On Apr 3, 1:59*pm, Mark wrote: On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 22:00:15 -0700 (PDT), thunderhoof wrote: BTW, PTSD is not the same as Bi Polar or Narcisism, or Manic Depression. *Manic depression isn't the same as Bi Polarism or Narcissism. *Narcissism isn't even close to the other disorders just listed, its more like psychopathy which is marked by a definative lack of empathy and compassion - often due to not being held enough loved enough or supported enough as a small child. ***** U* Its really less about how we got this way, and more about who we're going to become. A spirochete. Rapidly spreading across the world, causing people to act bipolar. Fortunately I don't have to take prescription meds. You know, clean livin', non smoker, non drinker. -- Mark inventor/artist/pilot/guitarist/scientist/philosopher/ scratch golfer/cat wrangler and observer of the mundane. And much much more including wealthy beyond anything you can imagine. My websitehttp://www.hosanna1.com/www.myspace.com/gayincarolina Whoa! **** ME? Did I touch a nerve with that particular part of my response to your particular brand of ignorance? Actually figuring out how we got this way is CRUCIAL to self determination of who we WILL be. You cannot ignore the cause and wish yourself all better. You have to find the cause, root it out and replant a new beginning for yourself otherwise same crap different day. I've been reading through this thread and recognise your rage. Sincerely you really should get some help for that. *BLOW ME* Oops, I snipped your blather, tee hee. Is there no end to you internet posers who seek intellectual validation? Bet you secretly wish you were J.K.Rowling. Her intellect has enabled her to buy ANYTHING she wants, or go ANYWHERE at ANYTIME. That's smart my friend. 100 years is a short time to live. May as well enjoy one's self. I hung a new big mirror in the bathroom the other day. Then I hung another mirror behind me on the opposite wall. Now I can't stop standing in between and looking down my infinite replication tunnel. -- Mark cat wrangler and observer of the mundane. They say imitation is the most sincere form of flattery, but it can't be good when the bots get so many of the details wrong. Since there's no use in tilting at windmills, let's all just try to enjoy this Mark's content for what it is. Regards, Steve -- Proud supporter of the "Let's Make English A Right-To-Left Language Campaign". Just for fun, and because it's better than legalizing pot. |
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On Apr 3, 3:30*pm, Aham Brahmasmi wrote:
On Apr 3, 12:11*pm, Mark wrote: On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 12:04:07 -0700 (PDT), Aham Brahmasmi wrote: Sri Ramana Maharshi explained self-enquiry I thought you said you weren't a *GODDAMMEDN* Muslim? Unlike Christians, Catholics, and Muslims, Hindus are not "damned" to "hell" for all eternity. All will be liberated eventually. However, your problem which makes you suffer so much that you lash out in anger at total strangers is your overweening ego. You have no real understanding of who you are, so you suffer. Your self-inflicted suffering will continue for what *seems like* an eternity, but the universe will not care. But, on the day that you find out who you are, you will be liberated and you will laugh at yourself for taking so long to figure it out. I think it's going to take a few more incarnations. |
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On Sat, Apr 03, 2010 at 12:04:07PM -0700, Aham Brahmasmi wrote:
On Apr 3, 11:26*am, thunderhoof wrote: Actually figuring out how we got this way is CRUCIAL to self determination of who we WILL be. You cannot ignore the cause and wish yourself all better. You have to find the cause, root it out and replant a new beginning for yourself otherwise same crap different day. What if the source of so-called "bipolar disorder" and "narcissism" is not physical but is actually a misconception of the relative importance of the patient's ego, as regards to its interactions with the objective external world? Siddhartha Gautama (Shakamuni Buddha) mystically revealed that "all existence is suffering," and pointed towards a complicated eightfold noble path that would lead to liberation from the misery of *thinking* and trying to make the individual ego fit a resistant material universe... Sri Ramana Maharshi explained self-enquiry (Self Realization) in a simpler manner, from the beginning. Before embarking on a description of the technique itself it will be necessary to explain Sri Ramana Maharshi’s views on the nature of the mind since the aim of self-enquiry is to discover by direct experience, that the mind is non-existent. According to Sri Ramana Maharshi, every conscious activity of the mind or body revolves around the tacit assumption that there is an ‘I’ who is doing something. The common factor in ‘I think’, ‘I remember’, ‘I am acting’, is the ‘I’ who assumes that it is responsible for all these activities. Sri Ramana Maharshi called this common factor the ‘I’-thought (Aham- Vritti). Literally aham-vritti means ‘mental modification of ‘I’. The Self or real ‘I’ never imagines that it is doing or thinking anything; the ‘I’ that imagines all this is a mental fiction and so it is called a mental modification of the Self. Since this is a rather cumbersome translation of Aham-Vritti it is usually translated as ‘I’-thought. The first and foremost of all thoughts that arise in the mind is the primal 'I'-thought. It is only after the rise or origin of the 'I'-thought that innumerable other thoughts arise. In other words, only after the first personal pronoun, 'I', has arisen, do the second and third personal pronouns ('you, he' etc.) occur to the mind; and they cannot subsist without the former. Since every other thought can occur only after the rise of the 'I'- thought and since the mind is nothing but a bundle of thoughts, it is only through the inquiry 'Who am I?' that the mind subsides. Moreover, the integral 'I'-thought, implicit in such enquiry, having destroyed all other thoughts, gets itself destroyed or consumed, just as the stick used for stirring the burning funeral pyre gets consumed.... Verbal constipation can be cured today. Your doctor knows what drugs to prescribe; you should make an appointment to see him. Regards, Steve -- Proud supporter of the "Let's Make English A Right-To-Left Language Campaign". Just for fun, and because it's better than legalizing pot. |
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 15:41:12 -0400, Steve Thompson wrote:
On Sat, Apr 03, 2010 at 11:26:17AM -0700, thunderhoof wrote: On Apr 3, 1:59*pm, Mark wrote: On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 22:00:15 -0700 (PDT), thunderhoof wrote: BTW, PTSD is not the same as Bi Polar or Narcisism, or Manic Depression. *Manic depression isn't the same as Bi Polarism or Narcissism. *Narcissism isn't even close to the other disorders just listed, its more like psychopathy which is marked by a definative lack of empathy and compassion - often due to not being held enough loved enough or supported enough as a small child. ***** U* Its really less about how we got this way, and more about who we're going to become. A spirochete. Rapidly spreading across the world, causing people to act bipolar. Fortunately I don't have to take prescription meds. You know, clean livin', non smoker, non drinker. -- Mark inventor/artist/pilot/guitarist/scientist/philosopher/ scratch golfer/cat wrangler and observer of the mundane. And much much more including wealthy beyond anything you can imagine. My websitehttp://www.hosanna1.com/www.myspace.com/gayincarolina Whoa! **** ME? Did I touch a nerve with that particular part of my response to your particular brand of ignorance? Actually figuring out how we got this way is CRUCIAL to self determination of who we WILL be. You cannot ignore the cause and wish yourself all better. You have to find the cause, root it out and replant a new beginning for yourself otherwise same crap different day. Hey, all I see are more satisfied customers of the public education system. One billion-plus idiots can't be wrong. I've been reading through this thread and recognise your rage. Sincerely you really should get some help for that. He won't acknowledge a problem that has him as its origin. It is inconcevable to consider that the problem is in any way internal, and so it will always be the targets of his rancor who must adjust their attitude. Mark, self-styled hero of Usenet: safe to killfile. Regards, Steve I thought you were gpoing ot turn me into the FBI? *LYING COWARD SCUMBAG MOTHERSUCKER* -- Mark inventor/artist/pilot/guitarist/scientist/philosopher/ scratch golfer/cat wrangler and observer of the mundane. And much much more including wealthy beyond anything you can imagine. My website http://www.hosanna1.com/ www.myspace.com/gayincarolina |
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 15:47:31 -0400, Steve Thompson wrote:
On Sat, Apr 03, 2010 at 02:53:15PM -0400, Mark wrote: On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 11:26:17 -0700 (PDT), thunderhoof wrote: On Apr 3, 1:59*pm, Mark wrote: On Fri, 2 Apr 2010 22:00:15 -0700 (PDT), thunderhoof wrote: BTW, PTSD is not the same as Bi Polar or Narcisism, or Manic Depression. *Manic depression isn't the same as Bi Polarism or Narcissism. *Narcissism isn't even close to the other disorders just listed, its more like psychopathy which is marked by a definative lack of empathy and compassion - often due to not being held enough loved enough or supported enough as a small child. ***** U* Its really less about how we got this way, and more about who we're going to become. A spirochete. Rapidly spreading across the world, causing people to act bipolar. Fortunately I don't have to take prescription meds. You know, clean livin', non smoker, non drinker. -- Mark inventor/artist/pilot/guitarist/scientist/philosopher/ scratch golfer/cat wrangler and observer of the mundane. And much much more including wealthy beyond anything you can imagine. My websitehttp://www.hosanna1.com/www.myspace.com/gayincarolina Whoa! **** ME? Did I touch a nerve with that particular part of my response to your particular brand of ignorance? Actually figuring out how we got this way is CRUCIAL to self determination of who we WILL be. You cannot ignore the cause and wish yourself all better. You have to find the cause, root it out and replant a new beginning for yourself otherwise same crap different day. I've been reading through this thread and recognise your rage. Sincerely you really should get some help for that. *BLOW ME* Oops, I snipped your blather, tee hee. Is there no end to you internet posers who seek intellectual validation? Bet you secretly wish you were J.K.Rowling. Her intellect has enabled her to buy ANYTHING she wants, or go ANYWHERE at ANYTIME. That's smart my friend. 100 years is a short time to live. May as well enjoy one's self. I hung a new big mirror in the bathroom the other day. Then I hung another mirror behind me on the opposite wall. Now I can't stop standing in between and looking down my infinite replication tunnel. -- Mark cat wrangler and observer of the mundane. They say imitation is the most sincere form of flattery, but it can't be good when the bots get so many of the details wrong. Since there's no use in tilting at windmills, let's all just try to enjoy this Mark's content for what it is. Regards, Steve Forget this childish internet stuff. I dare you to reveal your identity. If you don't you're a coward. Any time, any place. Bring your friends. I don't mind. *Waiting...I DARE YOU.* -- Mark inventor/artist/pilot/guitarist/scientist/philosopher/ scratch golfer/cat wrangler and observer of the mundane. And much much more including wealthy beyond anything you can imagine. My website http://www.hosanna1.com/ www.myspace.com/gayincarolina |
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