EJECT!

(Dean Wilkinson) wrote in message om...
Thunderbird F-16 cockpit video of ejection at Mountain Home AFB crash.

http://www.razorsedgesoft.com/eject.mpg

I am amazed at how calm the pilot appears throughout the loop. I've
only flown aerobatics once, but my head was on a swivel - constantly
trying to figure out which way was up.

What caused the accident? I would be interested to hear additional
details. Obviously the pilot got too low on the back side of the
loop, but what caused this?
-Inadequate height before starting the loop
-Inadequate pull during the loop
-Stall

-Nathan

In article ,
Dylan Smith wrote:

I believe the modern Martin-Baker ejector seats are 'zero zero' capable
(i.e. you can eject at zero feet, zero airspeed) and have been for some
time.

My younger brother, an AF jet mechanic some decades ago, told me of an
accidental/unintentional ejection *inside a hanger* -- pretty horrific
mangling of the mechanic who triggered it.

I suppose this has probably happened more than once . . .

"Ralf S." wrote in message


If I am right was somewhere in the US on an air show back in
November. It was kept secret by the US government until yesterday,
they said in the TV.

"They kept it secret"???

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...tricklin+crash
- or -
http://tinyurl.com/ylov

There was nothing secret about it - especially considering it happened in
front of an air show crowd reported to be 85,000 in number.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer
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In a previous article, "Ralf S." said:
I don't remember correctly. It came on German TV yesterday evening. If I am
right was somewhere in the US on an air show back in November. It was kept
secret by the US government until yesterday, they said in the TV.

Are you saying the crash was kept secret? Or the video? Because it's
pretty hard to keep something secret when it happens at an airshow in
front of thousands of spectators. Even if it's in Idaho.


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Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
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They onlykept serect the video. I guess because it was taken from inside or
so. I don't know it excactly.
German TV is bad they don't tell you much. Mainly they wanted to show some
"action".

Ralf




"Paul Tomblin" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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In a previous article, "Ralf S." said:
I don't remember correctly. It came on German TV yesterday evening. If I
am
right was somewhere in the US on an air show back in November. It was
kept
secret by the US government until yesterday, they said in the TV.

Are you saying the crash was kept secret? Or the video? Because it's
pretty hard to keep something secret when it happens at an airshow in
front of thousands of spectators. Even if it's in Idaho.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
To ensure privacy and data integrity this message has been encrypted
using dual rounds of ROT-13 encryption.

"AES/newspost" wrote in message


My younger brother, an AF jet mechanic some decades ago, told me of an
accidental/unintentional ejection *inside a hanger* -- pretty horrific
mangling of the mechanic who triggered it.

Kinda related: I had a cousin die while trying to safe an ejection seat.
Apparently, he was on the ladder leaning over the edge of the cockpit to
engage the safety. Either as he moved to step down or while he was working
in the cockpit (nobody is quite sure on that point), he somehow engaged the
canopy.

It was a closed casket funeral.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer
__________

Also, the most
common cause of fatal accidents is due to delayed ejection.

Er, doesn't that go without saying? ;-)

On 9 Dec 2003 19:56:32 -0800, (Dean
Wilkinson) wrote:

Thunderbird F-16 cockpit video of ejection at Mountain Home AFB crash.
http://www.razorsedgesoft.com/eject.mpg

Impressive. I'd like to see the expression on his face, though.

Tobias

On 2003-12-10 07:08:37 -0800, (Nathan Young) said:

I am amazed at how calm the pilot appears throughout the loop.

It probably wasn't the first time he had done it.

I've only flown aerobatics once, but my head was on a swivel - constantly
trying to figure out which way was up.

Moving your head around while pulling a couple of Gs is a sure way to get
yourself messed up.

What caused the accident? I would be interested to hear additional
details.

Being as this as a military thing, I doubt we'll ever hear the whole story unless
the pilot decides to tell it. I'd like to know, too, because looking at other pictures
and video, the airplane was pointed above the horizon and the engine was
producing lots of thrust. Its downward momentum, though may have been too
much for the altitude available to stop it and get it moving the other way. (That's
purely conjecture on my part, of course, based on what I could find.)

It's interesting watching the last two seconds or so of that video when you can see
that the decision has been made. Frame by frame, it looks very deliberate and
methodical. In real time, it happened very quickly!

--
Larry Fransson
Seattle, WA

No, not necessarily. The decision to eject may have to be made pretty
quickly and decisevely. If you spend too much time trying a restart or
troubleshooting you could be out of the envelope for a safe ejection. Even
though the Aces II has a great track record, it can be a easy to delay
ejection over water, at night, etc.

As an example, we had a flap light come on while enroute to a range carrying
live bombs. The pilot dropped the bombs over the range, and then we briefed
the emergency procedures in case the plane departed controlled flight. The
area surrounding the home base was very desolate, and certainly not very
inviting. Landing in a river or lake would probably not have been
survivable, and the prospect of a parachute landing in a heavily forested
area was not too appealing either. Luckily, everything worked out fine on
landing, although the emergency vehicles following us down the runway was
pretty impressive.