Where is the IAF for LOC BC RWY 03R at LUK?

I can't seem to find the IAF for the LOC BC RWY 03R at LUK. Any ideas why?

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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I can't seem to find the IAF for the LOC BC RWY 03R at LUK. Any
ideas why?


Because none is designated.

Andrew Sarangan wrote in message .158...
I can't seem to find the IAF for the LOC BC RWY 03R at LUK. Any ideas why?

I'm new at IFR so this may be off base, but... the chart says radar is
required, so I'm guessing you can only use this with radar vectors.
There isn't even a proc turn shown.

Maybe they don't want people wandering around CVG.

"PaulH" wrote in message
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I'm new at IFR so this may be off base, but... the chart says radar is
required, so I'm guessing you can only use this with radar vectors.
There isn't even a proc turn shown.


The chart doesn't say "RADAR REQUIRED", it says "DME or RADAR and ADF
REQUIRED". You can fly it without radar assistance as long as you have DME
and ADF (or suitable GPS) and navigate via Falmouth VOR/DME.

"PaulH" wrote in message
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Andrew Sarangan wrote in message
.158...
I can't seem to find the IAF for the LOC BC RWY 03R at LUK. Any ideas
why?

I'm new at IFR so this may be off base, but... the chart says radar is
required, so I'm guessing you can only use this with radar vectors.
There isn't even a proc turn shown.

Hm, which version of the chart are you looking at? The current NACO chart
(http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0406/00083LBC3R.PDF) says radar isn't needed
if you have DME.

--Gary

Another approach with no IAF is the NDB or GPS-A approach to Portland
Troutdale (TTD). This approach requires radar. It also has an interesting
lost communications procedure.

Andrew Sarangan wrote:

I can't seem to find the IAF for the LOC BC RWY 03R at LUK. Any ideas why?

Charting error. Falmouth is the IAF. They most likely failed to designate it
on the source document. Stuff like that happens.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"PaulH" wrote in message
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I'm new at IFR so this may be off base, but... the chart says radar is
required, so I'm guessing you can only use this with radar vectors.
There isn't even a proc turn shown.



The chart doesn't say "RADAR REQUIRED", it says "DME or RADAR and ADF
REQUIRED". You can fly it without radar assistance as long as you have DME
and ADF (or suitable GPS) and navigate via Falmouth VOR/DME.



I never was very good in grammar, but what is the parsing order in the
above. Is it "DME or (RADAR and ADF)" or "(DME or RADAR) and ADF?" I'm
assuming English has an order of evaluation as does mathematics, I'm
just not familiar with what it is. I would have read this as requiring
either DME or requiring RADAR and ADF, but that isn't how you
interpreted it and I frankly don't know which is correct from a language
perspective.


Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"PaulH" wrote in message
om...

I'm new at IFR so this may be off base, but... the chart says radar is
required, so I'm guessing you can only use this with radar vectors.
There isn't even a proc turn shown.



The chart doesn't say "RADAR REQUIRED", it says "DME or RADAR and ADF
REQUIRED". You can fly it without radar assistance as long as you have DME
and ADF (or suitable GPS) and navigate via Falmouth VOR/DME.



I never was very good in grammar, but what is the parsing order in the
above. Is it "DME or (RADAR and ADF)" or "(DME or RADAR) and ADF?" I'm
assuming English has an order of evaluation as does mathematics, I'm
just not familiar with what it is. I would have read this as requiring
either DME or requiring RADAR and ADF, but that isn't how you
interpreted it and I frankly don't know which is correct from a language
perspective.

Matt

DME or Radar...one of the other
ADF no matter which of the "ors" above you have.

Look at the context. There are radar fixes where there are DME fixes.

So, if you don't have DME, how do you identify the LOC FAF? It isn't
identified as a RADAR fix or an Intersection, just a DME fix.
Seems like the title should be LOC/DME BC RWY 3R, since, as published,
DME is required to fly the final approach.

JPH

wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote:


Steven P. McNicoll wrote:


"PaulH" wrote in message
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I'm new at IFR so this may be off base, but... the chart says radar is
required, so I'm guessing you can only use this with radar vectors.
There isn't even a proc turn shown.



The chart doesn't say "RADAR REQUIRED", it says "DME or RADAR and ADF
REQUIRED". You can fly it without radar assistance as long as you have DME
and ADF (or suitable GPS) and navigate via Falmouth VOR/DME.



I never was very good in grammar, but what is the parsing order in the
above. Is it "DME or (RADAR and ADF)" or "(DME or RADAR) and ADF?" I'm
assuming English has an order of evaluation as does mathematics, I'm
just not familiar with what it is. I would have read this as requiring
either DME or requiring RADAR and ADF, but that isn't how you
interpreted it and I frankly don't know which is correct from a language
perspective.

Matt


DME or Radar...one of the other
ADF no matter which of the "ors" above you have.

Look at the context. There are radar fixes where there are DME fixes.