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Old April 10th 19, 02:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 1:26:49 AM UTC-4, krasw wrote:
Interesting! Judging from the picture they are using the new 33 fuselage and I bet everything else is new, too. If it's std. class only (no 18m), they are competing against light selflaunchers like GP and MiniLAK. I was waiting for someone to introduce light racing class electric selflauncher like GP15. I guess AS thought that there is more room for improvement in std. class where all competing gliders are designed 20+ years ago.


I haven't seen anything of the engineering of the '33 so comments are speculation.
I doubt there will be much, if any difference between the '33 fuselage and the '29 fuselage. I expect it will be a new, smaller area wing with likely an airfoil evolution.
Geometry wise the '24,'27, 28,and '29 are almost exactly the same, except wing root and rudder.
If one starts with the '28E, which is engineered, tooled, and certified, you have a 15/18 airframe with an engine bay, ready to move forward. It also has enough wing area to keep the wing loading increase low enough to make self launch practical on about 25KW available from the system used in the 32EL.
I would expect the target market is pilots who want self launch capability as most important, and contest performance secondary.
Creating new ships is very expensive and risky. This could be a solution that moderates both.
Later, when proven, translating into an 18M ship like the '29 or '33 is a comparatively small task and risk. Going to 15M variants is more questionable due to low wing area and resulting high wing loadings. My '24E, converted to electric, is at 9 lb wing loading dry on 107 square feet.
FWIW- not much
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Old April 10th 19, 02:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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From recent rumours, the AS34 is indeed based on the ASW28. More will be known in the next days.
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Old April 10th 19, 04:09 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Well that's a disappointment, why not call it ASW 28 ME then?
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Old April 10th 19, 10:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Because "W" was not a principal designer? Sounds like newer "AS" ships are more a group effort, thus no 3rd letter for principal designer.....
I never flew a "K".
I have flown a number of (mostly) "W" as well as "K" and "G".

Just saying......;-)
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Old April 11th 19, 03:11 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 10:09:32 AM UTC-5, krasw wrote:
Well that's a disappointment, why not call it ASW 28 ME then?


If they went to the trouble to use CFD to redo the aerodynamics of the AS-33, I would not be surprised if they did the same with the AS-34. We will see.

Would be cool to see a reinvigorated Standard Class.

Andy Blackburn
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Old April 11th 19, 02:41 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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New improved Arcus
https://youtu.be/81WfI0uHqEs
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Old April 11th 19, 04:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Thursday, April 11, 2019 at 6:41:32 AM UTC-7, Muttley wrote:
New improved Arcus
https://youtu.be/81WfI0uHqEs


....Which is an improvement on the Duo X, Duo, Janus Ce, Janus.
With N3D and N4DX, D as side projects?
Jim
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Old April 11th 19, 09:52 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Thursday, April 11, 2019 at 6:46:09 AM UTC+9:30, Charlie M. (UH & 002 owner/pilot) wrote:
Because "W" was not a principal designer? Sounds like newer "AS" ships are more a group effort, thus no 3rd letter for principal designer.....
I never flew a "K".
I have flown a number of (mostly) "W" as well as "K" and "G".

Just saying......;-)


Also, the principal designer has a surname starting with the letter "S" which would mean prefixing the new gliders with ASS

Nick.
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Old April 11th 19, 09:58 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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Like the name does not all ready look like “ASS 4 Me”.

Try unseeing that.

Gotta go, my therapist is calling.
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Old April 11th 19, 10:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Thursday, April 11, 2019 at 1:58:05 PM UTC-7, Darryl Ramm wrote:
Like the name does not all ready look like “ASS 4 Me”.

Try unseeing that.

Gotta go, my therapist is calling.




On Thursday, April 11, 2019 at 1:58:05 PM UTC-7, Darryl Ramm wrote:
Like the name does not all ready look like “ASS 4 Me”.

Try unseeing that.

Gotta go, my therapist is calling.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HZM37HFxl0

I have to wonder, is your "therapist" really calling you, or are you calling your "therapist"?
 




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