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Garmin/AT no longer supporting WSI weather on MX20 moving map
I have the WSI satellite weather receiver installed in a Bonanza. The
data from this receiver is displayed nicely on a Garmin/AT MX20 moving map. Today I called WSI to ask them what new weather features we could expect from their weather service. The rep told me that lightening data will be available soon. However, the data will not be displayed on the MX20 until Garmin/AT modifies the unit's software to handle this. When I asked him if he knew the time frame, he recommended I call Garmin to find out. Taking his advice, I called Garmin/AT and asked their tech rep when we could expect to see WSI lightening data on the MX20. His response: "Never. We are no longer modifying the MX20 to handle any new data available from WSI. Garmin now has our own weather receiver to receive XM Weather and we will be supporting that service going forward. You will not lose existing functionality, but you won't be gaining any new functionality either." The logical side of my brain can understand this business decision but the emotional side is pretty ****ed. It now looks as if I made the wrong downlinked weather vendor choice. Is this a sign that WSI will be squeezed out of the aviation weather download market by Garmin and, to a lesser degree, Bendix-King, neither of whom will be "officially" supporting WSI's weather on their moving maps? It seems like it to me. -- Peter R. |
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Wasn't it clear when the WSI product launched that their was no future
support from Garmin? I recall reading this. Mike MU-2 "Peter R." wrote in message oups.com... I have the WSI satellite weather receiver installed in a Bonanza. The data from this receiver is displayed nicely on a Garmin/AT MX20 moving map. Today I called WSI to ask them what new weather features we could expect from their weather service. The rep told me that lightening data will be available soon. However, the data will not be displayed on the MX20 until Garmin/AT modifies the unit's software to handle this. When I asked him if he knew the time frame, he recommended I call Garmin to find out. Taking his advice, I called Garmin/AT and asked their tech rep when we could expect to see WSI lightening data on the MX20. His response: "Never. We are no longer modifying the MX20 to handle any new data available from WSI. Garmin now has our own weather receiver to receive XM Weather and we will be supporting that service going forward. You will not lose existing functionality, but you won't be gaining any new functionality either." The logical side of my brain can understand this business decision but the emotional side is pretty ****ed. It now looks as if I made the wrong downlinked weather vendor choice. Is this a sign that WSI will be squeezed out of the aviation weather download market by Garmin and, to a lesser degree, Bendix-King, neither of whom will be "officially" supporting WSI's weather on their moving maps? It seems like it to me. -- Peter R. |
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Mike wrote:
Wasn't it clear when the WSI product launched that their was no future support from Garmin? I recall reading this. Hmmm... are you recalling the WSI weather on the GNS430/530s? When WSI announced weather on these units it was clear that Garmin would attempt to close this "hack" in some future release of the GPSs' software. However, during my pre-purchase research I never encountered any information about a lack of future support for displaying weather on the MX20. -- Peter |
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You are right, I was thinking about the WSI weather on the 430/530.
Mike MU-2 "Peter R." wrote in message oups.com... Mike wrote: Wasn't it clear when the WSI product launched that their was no future support from Garmin? I recall reading this. Hmmm... are you recalling the WSI weather on the GNS430/530s? When WSI announced weather on these units it was clear that Garmin would attempt to close this "hack" in some future release of the GPSs' software. However, during my pre-purchase research I never encountered any information about a lack of future support for displaying weather on the MX20. -- Peter |
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"Peter R." wrote in message oups.com... I have the WSI satellite weather receiver installed in a Bonanza. The data from this receiver is displayed nicely on a Garmin/AT MX20 moving map. Today I called WSI to ask them what new weather features we could expect from their weather service. The rep told me that lightening data will be available soon. However, the data will not be displayed on the MX20 until Garmin/AT modifies the unit's software to handle this. When I asked him if he knew the time frame, he recommended I call Garmin to find out. Taking his advice, I called Garmin/AT and asked their tech rep when we could expect to see WSI lightening data on the MX20. His response: "Never. We are no longer modifying the MX20 to handle any new data available from WSI. Garmin now has our own weather receiver to receive XM Weather and we will be supporting that service going forward. You will not lose existing functionality, but you won't be gaining any new functionality either." The logical side of my brain can understand this business decision but the emotional side is pretty ****ed. It now looks as if I made the wrong downlinked weather vendor choice. Is this a sign that WSI will be squeezed out of the aviation weather download market by Garmin and, to a lesser degree, Bendix-King, neither of whom will be "officially" supporting WSI's weather on their moving maps? It seems like it to me. -- Peter R. Garmin is now becoming the de facto "microsoft" of aviation. For all of those who thought MS was playing fair all along, I don't want to hear you whining. For the rest of us, we will soon be making the same decisions we made before. Either way, your choice will have consequences. Our only hope is that Avidyne pulls off a slam dunk on thier integrated cockpit and GPS, and plays hard ball by offering better pricing. |
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"Dude" wrote in message ... Garmin is now becoming the de facto "microsoft" of aviation. For all of those who thought MS was playing fair all along, I don't want to hear you whining. Who the hell ever thought that? For the rest of us, we will soon be making the same decisions we made before. Either way, your choice will have consequences. Our only hope is that Avidyne pulls off a slam dunk on thier integrated cockpit and GPS, and plays hard ball by offering better pricing. It seems an Avidyne EX-500 and a Garmin GPS480 is a heck of good (compromise) configuration if you're not going with a IFS. |
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Good call about Avidyne. They seem to be moving ahead at a great
pace. If they could get pricing under control, they'll knock those *******s at Garmin out of that box anyway. Sure would like to see some better competition in the GPS/COM world too. For all the stupid asses that thought Garmin buying UPS was a good thing, here's the start of your reward. On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:51:03 GMT, "Dude" wrote: "Peter R." wrote in message roups.com... I have the WSI satellite weather receiver installed in a Bonanza. The data from this receiver is displayed nicely on a Garmin/AT MX20 moving map. Today I called WSI to ask them what new weather features we could expect from their weather service. The rep told me that lightening data will be available soon. However, the data will not be displayed on the MX20 until Garmin/AT modifies the unit's software to handle this. When I asked him if he knew the time frame, he recommended I call Garmin to find out. Taking his advice, I called Garmin/AT and asked their tech rep when we could expect to see WSI lightening data on the MX20. His response: "Never. We are no longer modifying the MX20 to handle any new data available from WSI. Garmin now has our own weather receiver to receive XM Weather and we will be supporting that service going forward. You will not lose existing functionality, but you won't be gaining any new functionality either." The logical side of my brain can understand this business decision but the emotional side is pretty ****ed. It now looks as if I made the wrong downlinked weather vendor choice. Is this a sign that WSI will be squeezed out of the aviation weather download market by Garmin and, to a lesser degree, Bendix-King, neither of whom will be "officially" supporting WSI's weather on their moving maps? It seems like it to me. -- Peter R. Garmin is now becoming the de facto "microsoft" of aviation. For all of those who thought MS was playing fair all along, I don't want to hear you whining. For the rest of us, we will soon be making the same decisions we made before. Either way, your choice will have consequences. Our only hope is that Avidyne pulls off a slam dunk on thier integrated cockpit and GPS, and plays hard ball by offering better pricing. |
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Jon A. wrote:
IfÂ*theyÂ*couldÂ*getÂ*pricingÂ*underÂ*control,Â*th ey'llÂ*knockÂ*those *******s at Garmin out of that box anyway. Isn't it also possible to refit an older airplane with an Avidyne? That's a huge market that's being ignored by Garmin. Still, cost is a major factor. At a certain price, it's better to buy new than have a spiffy glass panel in a 20-30 year old airplane. - Andrew |
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Isn't it also possible to refit an older airplane with an Avidyne? That's
a huge market that's being ignored by Garmin. Still, cost is a major factor. At a certain price, it's better to buy new than have a spiffy glass panel in a 20-30 year old airplane. - Andrew Currently, the only glass panel retrofit is the Chelton, and I understand it is rather pricey. I have been hoping that AOPA coughs up a figure for what it would cost a regular guy to buy that new panel for the commander. |
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Garmin has always aggressively pushed their "proprietary" solutions
over open or industry standards. However, they are beginning to get their lunch money stolen by more innovative companies in the consumer electronics market where they have more competition. They were also getting hammered in the automotive OEM market until they were forced by the larger auto manufacturers to cut their margins. I would expect Garmin to aggressively protect the high-margin aviation business for some time to come. Why else do you think they would buy UPSAT, when they had the G1000 cooking in the lab??? Obviously to defeat a competitor on the value end. They don't want to be foreced to reduce margins in one of their more lucrative markets! Who's their competition now? If Avidyne or Bendix/King were smart, they would steal Garmin's engineering staff and produce a better value system, but even if they took Garmin's talent today, it would be a few years to introduce new aviation products. I feel burned by Garmin after 'investing' in a GNS 530, after many, many conversations with their engineers on the future of the box several years ago. As it turns out, Garmin has basically yanked most of their avionics line guys to dedicate on the G1000 (which has had some pretty serious issues to resolve, but didn't stop the marketing hype.) WAAS upgrades for the 430/530 are now more than 18 months overdue from their original announcements. Then again, Garmin has always attempted to secure market by hyping products, then continually delaying introduction (witness the iQue...) to keep people 'sitting on the fence' rather than buy the competitor's product that may actually be ready. |
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