Sloppy Piloting

Matt Whiting wrote in news:GJVgj.1407$2n4.31496
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Jay Honeck wrote:
They begin with C obviously.
It's the way his mind works.

Hey -- Bertie has learned how to spoof an email address! Woo hoo!

Can forming complete sentences and spelling correctly be next?

He'll (she'll??) have to spit out the pacifier first. :-)


Aww, Gender dysphiria lames.

Kewt!

Bertie

On Jan 7, 6:27*pm, gliderguynj wrote:
I'll admit to sloppy flying this weekend, and I hope I learned my
lesson. *I recently joined a club that flies a C150. *I transitioned
into it from a Cherokee. *One of the biggest differences I noticed
other than where the wings are is the climb out. *It's not exactly
robust. *I've also been grilled to be very careful to make sure I use
the Carb Heat in my landing pattern. *Well, I was doing pattern work
and wasn't using a checklist between landing and take offs. *On the
last T/O I neglected to put the carb heat off, which was a carry over
from neglecting to fully clean up my ship after exiting the runway.

After lift off, which took a bit more runway than usual, the plane
just felt anemic. *I realized something was wrong and looked at my
RPM's which were 200 less than what I needed. *I checked the throttle,
that was correct, mixture ok flaps ok then I saw my carb heat was on.
DOH!!!!!!

If there had been any significant sink I would have been in deep
Kimchee. *Had I been using my checklist this wouldn't have happened.
I was a sloppy pilot and a classic example of a few dumb errors that
combined could have put me in real harms way. *It's very easy to kill
yourself if you aren't on top of your game. *Sloppy is a great way to
describe it.

Doug

You say Kimchee like it was a bad thing. Yummmm Kimchee. smile

Wil

William Hung wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:27 pm, gliderguynj wrote:
I'll admit to sloppy flying this weekend, and I hope I learned my
lesson. I recently joined a club that flies a C150. I transitioned
into it from a Cherokee. One of the biggest differences I noticed
other than where the wings are is the climb out. It's not exactly
robust. I've also been grilled to be very careful to make sure I use
the Carb Heat in my landing pattern. Well, I was doing pattern work
and wasn't using a checklist between landing and take offs. On the
last T/O I neglected to put the carb heat off, which was a carry over
from neglecting to fully clean up my ship after exiting the runway.

After lift off, which took a bit more runway than usual, the plane
just felt anemic. I realized something was wrong and looked at my
RPM's which were 200 less than what I needed. I checked the throttle,
that was correct, mixture ok flaps ok then I saw my carb heat was on.
DOH!!!!!!

If there had been any significant sink I would have been in deep
Kimchee. Had I been using my checklist this wouldn't have happened.
I was a sloppy pilot and a classic example of a few dumb errors that
combined could have put me in real harms way. It's very easy to kill
yourself if you aren't on top of your game. Sloppy is a great way to
describe it.

Doug

You say Kimchee like it was a bad thing. Yummmm Kimchee. smile

Wil

Buried in every back yard in Korea no less. Not bad really...especially
if it's REALLY fermented :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

On Jan 8, 9:40*pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
William Hung wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:27 pm, gliderguynj wrote:
I'll admit to sloppy flying this weekend, and I hope I learned my
lesson. *I recently joined a club that flies a C150. *I transitioned
into it from a Cherokee. *One of the biggest differences I noticed
other than where the wings are is the climb out. *It's not exactly
robust. *I've also been grilled to be very careful to make sure I use
the Carb Heat in my landing pattern. *Well, I was doing pattern work
and wasn't using a checklist between landing and take offs. *On the
last T/O I neglected to put the carb heat off, which was a carry over
from neglecting to fully clean up my ship after exiting the runway.

After lift off, which took a bit more runway than usual, the plane
just felt anemic. *I realized something was wrong and looked at my
RPM's which were 200 less than what I needed. *I checked the throttle,
that was correct, mixture ok flaps ok then I saw my carb heat was on.
DOH!!!!!!

If there had been any significant sink I would have been in deep
Kimchee. *Had I been using my checklist this wouldn't have happened.
I was a sloppy pilot and a classic example of a few dumb errors that
combined could have put me in real harms way. *It's very easy to kill
yourself if you aren't on top of your game. *Sloppy is a great way to
describe it.

Doug

You say Kimchee like it was a bad thing. *Yummmm Kimchee. smile

Wil

Buried in every back yard in Korea no less. Not bad really...especially
if it's REALLY fermented :-))

--
Dudley Henriques- Hide quoted text -

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You are Hardcore Dudley, lol. Those are too sour for me, I like mine
still a bit crunchy like Dill pickles.

Wil

William Hung wrote:
On Jan 8, 9:40 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
William Hung wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:27 pm, gliderguynj wrote:
I'll admit to sloppy flying this weekend, and I hope I learned my
lesson. I recently joined a club that flies a C150. I transitioned
into it from a Cherokee. One of the biggest differences I noticed
other than where the wings are is the climb out. It's not exactly
robust. I've also been grilled to be very careful to make sure I use
the Carb Heat in my landing pattern. Well, I was doing pattern work
and wasn't using a checklist between landing and take offs. On the
last T/O I neglected to put the carb heat off, which was a carry over
from neglecting to fully clean up my ship after exiting the runway.
After lift off, which took a bit more runway than usual, the plane
just felt anemic. I realized something was wrong and looked at my
RPM's which were 200 less than what I needed. I checked the throttle,
that was correct, mixture ok flaps ok then I saw my carb heat was on.
DOH!!!!!!
If there had been any significant sink I would have been in deep
Kimchee. Had I been using my checklist this wouldn't have happened.
I was a sloppy pilot and a classic example of a few dumb errors that
combined could have put me in real harms way. It's very easy to kill
yourself if you aren't on top of your game. Sloppy is a great way to
describe it.
Doug
You say Kimchee like it was a bad thing. Yummmm Kimchee. smile
Wil
Buried in every back yard in Korea no less. Not bad really...especially
if it's REALLY fermented :-))

--
Dudley Henriques- Hide quoted text -

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You are Hardcore Dudley, lol. Those are too sour for me, I like mine
still a bit crunchy like Dill pickles.

Wil
More like desperation on my part. We were friends with a Korean family
over there who LOVED the stuff. I think they had a ton of it fermenting
in the back yard. They wouldn't leave me alone until I tried it. Then
they hounded me until I ate some more. :-))

--
Dudley Henriques

On Jan 8, 9:48*pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
William Hung wrote:
On Jan 8, 9:40 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
William Hung wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:27 pm, gliderguynj wrote:
I'll admit to sloppy flying this weekend, and I hope I learned my
lesson. *I recently joined a club that flies a C150. *I transitioned
into it from a Cherokee. *One of the biggest differences I noticed
other than where the wings are is the climb out. *It's not exactly
robust. *I've also been grilled to be very careful to make sure I use
the Carb Heat in my landing pattern. *Well, I was doing pattern work
and wasn't using a checklist between landing and take offs. *On the
last T/O I neglected to put the carb heat off, which was a carry over
from neglecting to fully clean up my ship after exiting the runway.
After lift off, which took a bit more runway than usual, the plane
just felt anemic. *I realized something was wrong and looked at my
RPM's which were 200 less than what I needed. *I checked the throttle,
that was correct, mixture ok flaps ok then I saw my carb heat was on.
DOH!!!!!!
If there had been any significant sink I would have been in deep
Kimchee. *Had I been using my checklist this wouldn't have happened..
I was a sloppy pilot and a classic example of a few dumb errors that
combined could have put me in real harms way. *It's very easy to kill
yourself if you aren't on top of your game. *Sloppy is a great way to
describe it.
Doug
You say Kimchee like it was a bad thing. *Yummmm Kimchee. smile
Wil
Buried in every back yard in Korea no less. Not bad really...especially
if it's REALLY fermented :-))

--
Dudley Henriques- Hide quoted text -

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You are Hardcore Dudley, *lol. *Those are too sour for me, I like mine
still a bit crunchy like Dill pickles.

Wil

More like desperation on my part. We were friends with a Korean family
over there who LOVED the stuff. I think they had a ton of it fermenting
in the back yard. They wouldn't leave me alone until I tried it. Then
they hounded me until I ate some more. :-))

--
Dudley Henriques- Hide quoted text -

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I'm not Korean, but occasionally I like it. The fresher krispy ones.
I even eat their fermented oysters, talk about acquired taste! lol.
Not bad after several hundred tries, I even grew to like it. Well,
the Korean girl I was dating at the time made it all worth it. g

Wil

William Hung wrote:
On Jan 8, 9:48 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
William Hung wrote:
On Jan 8, 9:40 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
William Hung wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:27 pm, gliderguynj wrote:
I'll admit to sloppy flying this weekend, and I hope I learned my
lesson. I recently joined a club that flies a C150. I transitioned
into it from a Cherokee. One of the biggest differences I noticed
other than where the wings are is the climb out. It's not exactly
robust. I've also been grilled to be very careful to make sure I use
the Carb Heat in my landing pattern. Well, I was doing pattern work
and wasn't using a checklist between landing and take offs. On the
last T/O I neglected to put the carb heat off, which was a carry over
from neglecting to fully clean up my ship after exiting the runway.
After lift off, which took a bit more runway than usual, the plane
just felt anemic. I realized something was wrong and looked at my
RPM's which were 200 less than what I needed. I checked the throttle,
that was correct, mixture ok flaps ok then I saw my carb heat was on.
DOH!!!!!!
If there had been any significant sink I would have been in deep
Kimchee. Had I been using my checklist this wouldn't have happened.
I was a sloppy pilot and a classic example of a few dumb errors that
combined could have put me in real harms way. It's very easy to kill
yourself if you aren't on top of your game. Sloppy is a great way to
describe it.
Doug
You say Kimchee like it was a bad thing. Yummmm Kimchee. smile
Wil
Buried in every back yard in Korea no less. Not bad really...especially
if it's REALLY fermented :-))
--
Dudley Henriques- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You are Hardcore Dudley, lol. Those are too sour for me, I like mine
still a bit crunchy like Dill pickles.
Wil
More like desperation on my part. We were friends with a Korean family
over there who LOVED the stuff. I think they had a ton of it fermenting
in the back yard. They wouldn't leave me alone until I tried it. Then
they hounded me until I ate some more. :-))

--
Dudley Henriques- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not Korean, but occasionally I like it. The fresher krispy ones.
I even eat their fermented oysters, talk about acquired taste! lol.
Not bad after several hundred tries, I even grew to like it. Well,
the Korean girl I was dating at the time made it all worth it. g

Wil

Sounds like you managed the best of both worlds there. :-)

--
Dudley Henriques

On Jan 8, 9:35*pm, William Hung wrote:
You say Kimchee like it was a bad thing. *Yummmm Kimchee. smile
Wil-


Just using it as a saying. I happen to LOVE Kimchee. I buy it by the
quart in the local Asian market. When I go to Korean restaurants, I'm
usually given free dishes of different types of Kimchee to try because
I show such enthusiasm for it. The only problem I have with Kimchee
is that my wife gets very annoyed when I eat it at home because of the
Aroma....

Doug

Jay Honeck wrote:
This group's own Rick Durden published an article in AOPA Pilot this
month entitled "Are you a good pilot?" In it, Rick raised many
interesting points about things that can affect good piloting.

...

I'm interested in hearing what you do to combat the human tendency
toward sloppiness? Any tricks that you might use, or methods you
might employ?

Don't know if this was mentioned yet, but AOPA Flight Training current
issue (Feb 08) has a good article titled "Are you on your game?" It
lists 10 things that we get sloppy on. To recap

1. Sterile Cockpit: gone
2. Fly Headings: Whatever
3. Level Flight: More or less
4. See and Avoid: Avoid Seeing
5: Nice Field down the finding an emergency LZ
6. Stealth Traffic Pattern
7. Flat Landings
8. Go Around
9. Slow flight: Or an inability to perform slow
10: Stalls

What is a sloppy pilot? I'll probably step on most toes with this and
I realize a lot is open to interpretation so I'll try and explain as I
go along, but...

Most seem to be sticking just with execution, or organization, but "to
me a sloppy pilot is: A Disorganized Pilot, A Distracted Pilot, A
complacent Pilot, A pilot who does not make use of all equipment and
information available to them, A pilot who does not know his/her
airplane, A pilot who always plays it safe. a pilot who does not
practice, a pilot who does not keep up with recurrency training, and
I'll probably think of more.

A couple of points though, sloppy in a high time pilot may just be
polish for a low time pilot or even student.

One point with which I take strong issue is Practice does not make us
forget. Familiarity may, but not practice. Practice ingrains actions
and reactions and if done often enough and well enough it becomes
subconscious. This it not the same as muscle memory, but rater quite
different. Yes, we may do something so often we just accept it and let
our subconscious take over from our conscious. Consciously we may not
be able to recall some numbers, but our subconscious can. The danger
with repeated practice is developing bad habits and getting those
ingrained. Hence the occasional ride with either an instructor or
another pilot competent and proficient in that plane.

An example of the subconscious taking over: I lost an engine at
roughly 50 feet and 100 MPH on initial climb out from a 3800 foot
runway. there was none of this stopping to realize the engine had
quite and I needed to lower the nose. I immediately knew the engine
quit and while I was selecting an appropriate landing spot my hands
and feet were flying the airplane, shutting off the fuel, brining in
full flaps, and shutting down *stuff* This was low altitude with no
time to stop and reason out what to do and where to land. I recognized
I couldn't make the highway, the trees off the end of the runway
looked very uninviting and the airport fence didn't look all that bad.
By the time my vision had covered that I was already set up to set
back down straight ahead with maximum drag. I had 1200 feet of runway
left and barely enough energy to make the turn off in front of the
terminal.

The disorganized pilot...With out organization it's difficult to bring
up the proper charts, or is unfamiliar with the route, or the
destination airport and even airports along the way. When IFR they
have to take extra time to work out entering in the updated route, or
can't find the new intersections on the chart. Usually I'd put not
holding heading or altitude here, but it could go in a number of these
categories.

The distracted pilot is one whose mind is on something other than
flying. The pilot who spends time doing unnecessary things, spends too
much time setting up the VORs, RNAV, or GPS. Or they spend time trying
out all the capabilities on the GPS whether they need them or not. Too
much time with head in the cockpit instead of tending to business.
I flew with a pilot who was learning all the neat things his GPS would
do. I don't think he looked outside more than 10 to 20% or the time.
By the time we got back I had a sore neck from looking for traffic.
Same thing happened way back with a LORAN system.

The complacent pilot just flys along with little concern about
anything. They think they know all the procedures, and pushing
"nearest" is all they need to know.

The one who doesn't make use of all available information. This could
also include the pilot who depends on one navigation system. IOW, IT
doesn't matter if you have dual GPS in the panel and a hand held for
backup. It's still one system. It's the most reliable system we have
save one, and due to that reliability we tend to focus on its use, but
GPS, regardless of how many units you have in the plane is still one
system and it has gone down from a few minutes to a few hours. on
several occasions. We are starting up a new sunspot cycle as of last
week so in a few years solar activity could very well cause
interruptions. The most reliable system is still a ruler, watch, and
chart. OTOH I did have all but the corner of my new chart disappear
out under the door in the old Cherokee 180. Good thing I had and NDB
and VOR to back it up. :-)) Even IFR with RNAV and a hand held GPS I
always carried current charts (Low Altitude IFR AND VFR Sectionals).
Never depend on only one form of navigation. After all your chart
could get sucked out the door.

The pilot who doesn't know his or her airplane. Never having done
stalls, not knowing best glide, fuel burn, Vx, Vy, Max range settings,
unusual attitude recovery. Even for the pilot who only flys on nice
days there is the occasional wake turbulence. Besides, nature is good
at providing surprises as is ATC at times. What if that pilot has to
make a maximum effort to avoid a mid air such as a steep turn or climb
while hanging on the edge of a stall. It happens and planes can get
very close to even the pilot who spends a lot of time looking for
them.

The pilot who always plays it safe is sort of a continuation of the
one above as that pilot, never really learns his, or the planes
limitations. Or what to do in that rare chance that the weather
suddenly turns to something quite different than forecast.

Of course the pilot who doesn't practice pretty much fits into the
complacent and not knowing, or staying sharp in the plane they are
flying. Just watch the traffic at Oshkosh for a while.

Recurrency training or lack there of fits in with the above three
definitions. Recurrency training in a specific plane can often teach
the pilot a lot of useful information as well as making the insurance
company happy who them may give a discount.

"To me" a sloppy maneuver doesn't necessarily mean a sloppy pilot.
Unless of course if he does that sort of thing for a living.

Roger (K8RI)